And what is it you think Cable TV is doing 24/7 nationwide?
Good point. I should have known better than to let my imagination narrow down to "those people" in isolation.
But we never learn, do we? Or maybe that's just me.
And what is it you think Cable TV is doing 24/7 nationwide?
...can you or anyone take a stab at why it's a classic mixed message.
And what is it you think Cable TV is doing 24/7 nationwide?
The psa is either wittingly or unwittingly doing just that.
I certainly don't think it's helping. All the media discussion of riots is just making riots more likely.
So the people that are calling for riots - you think they're not actually the people calling for riots?
But are being paid to spread it?
Is it impossible their are people who just want an excuse to riot because they're full of resentment for various reasons and want a chance to show it, and this is their chance?
How would you prove that the push for anti-social behaviour comes from a 'master controller'?
Yar.. the only separation from Joe's belief is whether or not that's intentional. I don't think he's wrong in believing it is, given how practiced we know the media is at redirecting attention when it wants too. It's a clever scheme... works for the media as riots mean high ratings, works for the authorities as riots mean positive exposure and bigger budgets, works for government/corporate interests as it gives impetus and an excuse to broaden powers applicable to protest actions.I certainly don't think it's helping. All the media discussion of riots is just making riots more likely.
I certainly don't think it's helping. All the media discussion of riots is just making riots more likely.
I'm not sure how you debunk something that will or will not happen in the future. That is called predicting.
It is clear people are talking about rioting if Zimmerman gets off on all charges. There is also concern over rioting taking place, at least by officials in the Broward county area. If it happens or not we will see.
Yar.. the only separation from Joe's belief is whether or not that's intentional. I don't think he's wrong in believing it is, given how practiced we know the media is at redirecting attention when it wants too. It's a clever scheme... works for the media as riots mean high ratings, works for the authorities as riots mean positive exposure and bigger budgets, works for government/corporate interests as it gives impetus and an excuse to broaden powers applicable to protest actions.
I was in Toronto during the G20 hooplah there a couple of years back, and remember all the images of men in shiny black boots dancing wildly on shattered police cars. It looked as though the shit was really hitting the fan. Personally I was just helping my sister move at the time, and she happened to be living by a film-studio which had been set up as a temporary detention center. A few cops harassed me on the way there, forcing me to walk around a few blocks rather than cross an empty street under their protection, and getting a bit lost in the mix I stumbled upon an exceedingly strange scene. From one end of a sidestreet to the other, police in riot-gear stood in a line. In front of them, maybe three people who were seemingly protestors, pacing about quickly, doing a bit of hopping, but generally backing off as this line cops advanced. Behind this truly weak showing of disgruntled citizens being pushed back by this excessive line of cops was about eight or nine photographers, snapping quick pictures as they walked slowly backwards, dropping into kneels and taking shots. It was a photo-shoot, plain and simple. I doubt there was anything remotely authentic about it, right down to the three goofballs jumping about between the cameras and the cops. It struck me at that moment that the whole 'riot' might be such a contrivance, so that the controversy surrounding the possible use undercover police provocateurs to start the fires/smashing didn't come as a surprise.
I can agree, but there is an over abundance of media hype throughout this trial so it doesn't surprise me.
The psa is giving you a clear tip. In fact, it's screaming it right at you.
The key question to ask yourself is why it doesn't surprise you
I don't think the intent of the psa is to start a riot and I don't see anything to indicate a conspiracy to start riots.
I don't think the intent of the psa is to start a riot and I don't see anything to indicate a conspiracy to start riots. Doesn't mean it isn't helping the situation or could cause people to react to it in a bad way. Maybe you have something other than your speculation to back it up? If riots happen they happen and there is nothing to debunk... yet.
You can't really judge a county by a tiny minority of its residents. The vast majority need no coaxing not to riot.
Did you watch it? What is it's intent and how do you see it accomplishing it?
Hard to have anything but speculation for something that hasn't happened yet, isn't it?
Iv been to Broward county. Its like a mini Compton
Docs: Justice Department facilitated anti-Zimmerman protests http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/10/doj-provided-security-for-anti-zimmerman-protests/
Yes I did watch it. I imagine the Broward county sheriff department had the intent to ask for a peaceful reaction no matter what the verdict ends up being.
If you think they had another intent you should provide evidence. The media taking it and running with it does not surprise me at all, that is what they do best.
Sounds like a nice chill out, and I'm sure that's what you heard.
I'm sure there will be some commotion when Zimmy is found not guilty. But It'll most likely be a handful of minor isolated incidences, but the right wing media will most likely blow it way out of proportion.
I didn't hear anything. I saw a news report on the psa this morning and I thought it pertained to this discussion. I don't care if there are riots or not.
Heh. That's what I figured. All else aside, your lack of caring shines through clearly.
I think your reading into why I posted the psa too much Joe.
Let me rephrase it a better way. I would care if there was rioting. I am just not worried about it nor am I buying into the hype the media has or is creating over the whole Zimmerman trial.
I'll give ya differently, but it's no better. Given the data you folks have had dumped in your lap in an effort to draw intention to a big bucket of impending suck, it's not generating sufficient light to penetrate.
Yes the media hype is there, it always is and avoid it as much as I can. My alternate approach dies kick in when that hype is about widespread race riots. But that's just me.
What you are dismissing as prediction or speculation is nothing more than contingency planning and strategic assessment. Since you are not worried about it, that means you think it's covered by somebody else or you are ok if it isn't. There isn't a third option in the land of let's wait and see, so I trust you are at least aware of that.
Here is the sheriff's page with another psa. Are you now going to suggest that NBA basketball player James Jones is encouraging people to riot as well?
http://www.sheriff.org/posts/post.cfm?id=bf1326e0-d238-0577-7446-a3a4ca5438d3
Yo, stop throwing shit at me and deal with the stuff I put there. Deal with that.
I don't see anything to debunk here...
The analysis of signaling games and other communication games has provided insight into the evolution of communication among animals. For example, the mobbing behavior of many species, in which a large number of prey animals attack a larger predator, seems to be an example of spontaneous emergent organization. [....]
Maynard Smith, in the preface to Evolution and the Theory of Games, writes, "paradoxically, it has turned out that game theory is more readily applied to biology than to the field of economic behaviour for which it was originally designed". Evolutionary game theory has been used to explain many seemingly incongruous phenomena in nature. Wikipedia
It'll most likely be a handful of minor isolated incidences, but the right wing media will most likely blow it way out of proportion.
No, I just don't care much about the subject and you're making a big deal about it.
I didn't read past this sentence.
Yo, stop throwing shit at me and deal with the stuff I put there. Deal with that. I've already given you all the dots. I even gave you the fucking libretto.
That's probably because you can't see things from different perspectives or try to weigh things from the perspective of one tribe or another in order to get a vague sense of what the herd will probably do..
But that doesn't matter if you can't theorize in the first place. Just wait and see what happens so that you know what the bunk is, right?
Oh my I feel so bad, living in my little sleeping people myopic little world, while all you awake and aware people are so blessed to know everything.
I agree. I'm not sure why it is in the topic of "conspiracy theories" either.
I agree. I'm not sure why it is in the topic of "conspiracy theories" either. It sounds like someone's opinion. Can you debunk an opinion?
The proposed conspiracy is that riots are a predetermined event, intentionally incited by creating a preemptive atmosphere of stark polarization around the outcome of the trial and promoting through repitition the notion of outrage and even violence in response to it on both sides. That this conspiracy theory addresses a current and ongoing event instead of a past one makes it no less a conspiracy theory.I agree. I'm not sure why it is in the topic of "conspiracy theories" either. It sounds like someone's opinion. Can you debunk an opinion?
Then you sir are absolutely on the wrong forum.I'm not here to debate opinions. I guess this bothers Joe.
I think he's suggesting that the corporate/government media hive mind does know (at some level*) that they're creating a higher probability of riots instead of "Keeping People Safe" and so forth. Sort of like the Chinese media causing people to riot and burn their neighbor's cars.
*What that level is may be debatable... given that conspiring can mean naturally breathing together or resonating with each other and not consciously meeting to sit around in a smoke filled room consciously using your intellects to master mind a scheme in your interests. (Although, the latter certainly happens too... it's usually called a business meeting. How nefarious!)
Ironically, I would point out that "conspiracy theorists" who like to imagine things about "master minds" conspiring might actually have a better understanding of "group minds" and therefore a better grasp on reality than those that tend more toward being coincidence theorists.
In some ways, the calls for order recapitulate what this case is all about—the assumption of violence on the part of the black community, and of black men. No one seems to be concerned about the possible violence of Zimmerman supporters if Zimmerman is convicted. To try to preemptively deter the black community from taking matters into their own hands should they feel justice has not been done is ironic considering that Zimmerman’s actions themselves were a kind of vigilanteeism—a violence above and beyond what many, including the prosecution and Martin’s family, feel was necessary.
If Zimmerman is acquitted, people will be upset, but they will find other avenues to show their dissatisfaction. The black community has become more sophisticated in protesting injustice, and there is talk already of using economic boycotts and other means that are more effective than upheavals that would only result in heavier police repression. Should Zimmerman walk, the response will be long-term and focused on ending Stand Your Ground so that this cannot happen again. After all, this case probably would not even have come to trial without the sustained outpouring of protest—all of it non-violent.
Then you sir are absolutely on the wrong forum.