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    Kristen Meghan, former US Air Force whistle-blower?

    Here is the interview:



    It seems to boil down to:


    • Was initially skeptical of chemtrails
    • After looking into the differences between chemtrails and contrails, noticed the clouds in the sky were just like the photos of chemtrails
    • Looked into information people posted - 'it's always unmarked airplanes I knew we had on our base'
    • As part of her MOS she was involved with screening chemicals passing into the base(differs from her earlier explanation of duties), noticed they were in canisters which contained "carcinogenic metals, oxides and powders" (no further detail provided about the canisters themselves though)
    • Her back yard was located on the flightline
    • Tried to get samples done by the EPA but was refused(no reason provided)
    • Decided to get samples done herself....is aware that common 'chemtrail' elements are found everywhere, but points out not at at these levels or "constituents"(kind of redundant thing to say)


    Firstly I'll point out that most military cargo planes look very similar to commercial jets to the untrained observer on the ground, the KC-135 in particular.

    I'm skeptical about her duties on base. She starts by saying her MOS involves environmental work(using fuel spills as an example), then goes on to say she screened hazardous materials before they were allowed on to the base. I could easily be wrong about this though, as I imagine there are relatively few people doing this kind of work in the military, it's quite possible they perform a wide range of duties related to materials.



    It seems to me she does not explain her testing methodology very much, but perhaps that is for brevity's sake?

    The extent of the explanation seems to be:
    • grid sampling(in her backyard I assume)
    • examined 'spray patterns', 'things she knew from her job, when they would fly and when I would see the trails'
    • 8 hours afterwards(of what?) she would perform the sampling because of 'dissipation rates of these materials'

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQndu...pcxoqQ&index=8

    Could this be the same woman? From April 2011? Meghan mentions having lost a lot of weight.

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    No. Different person. Her teeth are different and her accent is different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvnk08 View Post
    Here is the interview:



    It seems to boil down to:


    • Was initially skeptical of chemtrails
    • After looking into the differences between chemtrails and contrails, noticed the clouds in the sky were just like the photos of chemtrails
    • Looked into information people posted - 'it's always unmarked airplanes I knew we had on our base'
    • As part of her MOS she was involved with screening chemicals passing into the base(differs from her earlier explanation of duties), noticed they were in canisters which contained "carcinogenic metals, oxides and powders" (no further detail provided about the canisters themselves though)
    • Her back yard was located on the flightline
    • Tried to get samples done by the EPA but was refused(no reason provided)
    • Decided to get samples done herself....is aware that common 'chemtrail' elements are found everywhere, but points out not at at these levels or "constituents"(kind of redundant thing to say)


    Firstly I'll point out that most military cargo planes look very similar to commercial jets to the untrained observer on the ground, the KC-135 in particular.

    I'm skeptical about her duties on base. She starts by saying her MOS involves environmental work(using fuel spills as an example), then goes on to say she screened hazardous materials before they were allowed on to the base. I could easily be wrong about this though, as I imagine there are relatively few people doing this kind of work in the military, it's quite possible they perform a wide range of duties related to materials.



    It seems to me she does not explain her testing methodology very much, but perhaps that is for brevity's sake?

    The extent of the explanation seems to be:
    • grid sampling(in her backyard I assume)
    • examined 'spray patterns', 'things she knew from her job, when they would fly and when I would see the trails'
    • 8 hours afterwards(of what?) she would perform the sampling because of 'dissipation rates of these materials'
    Officer Job description . . . She was a GS-12 . . . Which requires a BS degree or higher . . .she was most likely an officer . . .
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    Air Force Officer Job Descriptions & Qualifications


    43EX - BIOENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER
    http://usmilitary.about.com/library/...obs/bl43ex.htm

    Specialty Shredouts:
    A..................General. Possess a baccalaureate in engineering from an institution accredited by the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology (ABET) or, Bachelor of Science (BS) and a Master of Science (MS) or Doctor of Philosophy (PhD) in engineering from an ABET institution or, A BS degree in a science and pass the “Fundamentals of Engineering” is mandatory.




    Tinker AFB, OKC. OK

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    http://www.tinker.af.mil/library/fac...et.asp?id=9404
    Tinker's largest organization is the Oklahoma City Air Logistics Complex. It is the largest of three depot repair complexs in the Air Force Materiel Command. It provides depot maintenance on the C/KC-135, B-1B, B-52 and E-3 aircraft, expanded phase maintenance on the Navy E-6 aircraft, and maintenance, repair and overhaul of F100, F101, F108, F110, F118, F119 and TF33 engines for the Air Force, Air Force Reserve, Air National Guard, Navy and foreign military sales. Additionally, the complex is responsible for the maintenance, repair and overhaul of a myriad of Air Force and Navy airborne accessory components, and the development and sustainment of a diverse portfolio of operational flight programs, test program sets, automatic test equipment, and industrial automation software.


    Enlisted Job description . . .

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    http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/share...CFETP4B0X1.pdf
    AFSC 4B0X1 BIOENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEERING
    CFETP 4B0X1 Parts I and II 1 October 2009

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    Quote Originally Posted by George B View Post
    Officer Job description . . . She was a GS-12 . . . Which requires a BS degree or higher . . .she was most likely an officer . . .
    Quote Content from external source:


    Air Force Officer Job Descriptions & Qualifications


    43EX - BIOENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER
    http://usmilitary.about.com/library/...obs/bl43ex.htm

    Specialty Shredouts:
    A..................General. Possess a baccalaureate in engineering from an institution accredited by the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology (ABET) or, Bachelor of Science (BS) and a Master of Science (MS) or Doctor of Philosophy (PhD) in engineering from an ABET institution or, A BS degree in a science and pass the “Fundamentals of Engineering” is mandatory.

    Where does she say this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvnk08 View Post
    Where does she say this?
    She says GS-12 at around 13:10

    I don't see any whistle blowing here. She's just repeating the usual chemtrail talking points. She offers no actual test results, or any actual evidence.

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    In a you tube video she shows her "credentials" in a very brief camera sweep. However, one document clearly shows her name and rank as E-5 TSGT. NOT OFFICER.

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    If she was an officer, wouldn't she have given her rank? If she has left the military, she wouldn't have said she "left the federal government".
    In this video she says NCO:
    http://www.facebook.com/kristenmegha...type=3&theater
    In this one, "Industrial Hygienist":
    http://www.facebook.com/kristenmegha...type=3&theater

    To me, she sounds like an attention seeker, injecting herself into all sorts of things, TSA, 911, etc .
    "Grid samples" sounds like jargon. She doesn't seem to have real technical expertise.
    She has a youtube channel and this short video which shows lack of aviation knowledge and doesn't sound like anything an Air Force Officer would say.

    This doesn't smell good to me.

    FB:
    http://www.facebook.com/kristenmegha.../kristenmeghan

    YT:
    http://www.youtube.com/user/IamKrist...ow=grid&view=0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Reynolds View Post
    If she was an officer, wouldn't she have given her rank? If she has left the military, she wouldn't have said she "left the federal government".
    In this video she says NCO:
    http://www.facebook.com/kristenmegha...type=3&theater
    In this one, "Industrial Hygienist":
    http://www.facebook.com/kristenmegha...type=3&theater

    To me, she sounds like an attention seeker, injecting herself into all sorts of things, TSA, 911, etc .
    "Grid samples" sounds like jargon. She doesn't seem to have real technical expertise.
    She has a youtube channel and this short video which shows lack of aviation knowledge and doesn't sound like anything an Air Force Officer would say.

    This doesn't smell good to me.

    FB:
    http://www.facebook.com/kristenmegha.../kristenmeghan

    YT:
    http://www.youtube.com/user/IamKrist...ow=grid&view=0

    She changes her job title a number of times in the opening video. She does not strike me as someone with a degree education as there is little content to her information. Having been in the military years she does seem young if it was after college.

    What was the content of the MSDS's? I have no idea what could be removed from a plane refit but I can presume there will be some toxic materials somewhere.

    Do they employ civilians in the USAF like they would in the RAF to do some of the cleaning and the like?

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    Hello Jay,

    I was in the military as a 4B071, I was active duty for nine years and then went to work for the VHA as a civilian GS12. When I say I left the federal goverment I say that becuase my total time as a federal employee (which include military people) was just over 11 years. I now work in the private sector so I am no longer a federal employee. I left the military at the end of 2010 and left the VHA at the end of 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Reynolds View Post
    If she was an officer, wouldn't she have given her rank? If she has left the military, she wouldn't have said she "left the federal government".
    In this video she says NCO:
    http://www.facebook.com/kristenmegha...type=3&theater
    In this one, "Industrial Hygienist":
    http://www.facebook.com/kristenmegha...type=3&theater

    To me, she sounds like an attention seeker, injecting herself into all sorts of things, TSA, 911, etc .
    "Grid samples" sounds like jargon. She doesn't seem to have real technical expertise.
    She has a youtube channel and this short video which shows lack of aviation knowledge and doesn't sound like anything an Air Force Officer would say.

    This doesn't smell good to me.

    FB:
    http://www.facebook.com/kristenmegha.../kristenmeghan

    YT:
    http://www.youtube.com/user/IamKrist...ow=grid&view=0

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    It would appear she is the real deal and the instigator of this website is into diinformation. You are sooooo out numbered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsVickie View Post
    It would appear she is the real deal and the instigator of this website is into diinformation. You are sooooo out numbered.
    Real deal in what sense?

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    For Ross,

    slice a grape ( I have used the green variety ) in half stopping the cut just before breaking the skin on the far side. Put it into the microwave for 15 seconds or so ( not sure of your wattage )

    voila plasma. The grape will flame out of both halves. I like to stand a few feet away while observing this one. The smell is a bit peculiar also. Fresh grapes seem to perform a little better.

    Also you can superheat a glass or ceramic mug with water. This experiment will be potentially harder to reproduce. Just heat water for 3 to 5 minutes. If u open the door and the water is perfectly still and w/ out steam then take a long stick and move it. It will volcano erupt out of the glass. Obviously You need to utilize caution.

    Now explain the physics of both of those experiments ! Woah- huu -boy !

    I am not surprised that no one took up the challenge to investigate the proprietary fuel additives. The answer is available with some keen research as the study of fuel improvers (back in time to go forward) is related to contrail issues. The science here stops right where it gets interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    For Ross,

    slice a grape ( I have used the green variety ) in half stopping the cut just before breaking the skin on the far side. Put it into the microwave for 15 seconds or so ( not sure of your wattage )

    voila plasma. The grape will flame out of both halves. I like to stand a few feet away while observing this one. The smell is a bit peculiar also. Fresh grapes seem to perform a little better.

    Also you can superheat a glass or ceramic mug with water. This experiment will be potentially harder to reproduce. Just heat water for 3 to 5 minutes. If u open the door and the water is perfectly still and w/ out steam then take a long stick and move it. It will volcano erupt out of the glass. Obviously You need to utilize caution.

    Now explain the physics of both of those experiments ! Woah- huu -boy !

    I am not surprised that no one took up the challenge to investigate the proprietary fuel additives. The answer is available with some keen research as the study of fuel improvers (back in time to go forward) is related to contrail issues. The science here stops right where it gets interesting.
    The physics of microwave heating are well understood:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dielectric_heating

    What do you think is unexplained?

    And why don't you tell us about the fuel additives? Save us some research?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    For Ross,

    slice a grape ( I have used the green variety ) in half stopping the cut just before breaking the skin on the far side. Put it into the microwave for 15 seconds or so ( not sure of your wattage )

    voila plasma. The grape will flame out of both halves. I like to stand a few feet away while observing this one. The smell is a bit peculiar also. Fresh grapes seem to perform a little better.

    Also you can superheat a glass or ceramic mug with water. This experiment will be potentially harder to reproduce. Just heat water for 3 to 5 minutes. If u open the door and the water is perfectly still and w/ out steam then take a long stick and move it. It will volcano erupt out of the glass. Obviously You need to utilize caution.

    Now explain the physics of both of those experiments ! Woah- huu -boy !

    I am not surprised that no one took up the challenge to investigate the proprietary fuel additives. The answer is available with some keen research as the study of fuel improvers (back in time to go forward) is related to contrail issues. The science here stops right where it gets interesting.

    Yes, I fail to see what this proves.

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    What is GS 12?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggerdave View Post
    What is GS 12?
    US Government pay scale. General Schedule.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General...ice_pay_scale)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick View Post
    US Government pay scale. General Schedule.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General...ice_pay_scale)
    Thanks Mick. I apologise for my ignorance. I have just watched the video again and in parts she is quite compelling in parts. Her stuff on PTSD was spot on and I find it interesting she is suffering. That is a separate issue, and I am not saying it is linked to her CT claims. I have read she has been out the military 2 years so that would make her 32 if she joined at 19 for 9 years.

    If she did not bounce from conspiracy to conspiracy and just concentrated on chemtrails I would say there would be something to look at. But as it is she is all over the place. She did remind me of a guy called Bear Grylls who totally exaggerated his military service and made up what he did for personal gain.

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    Identifying with a GS-12 grade implies a civilian employee, as does the title of Industrial Hygienist. The Air Force advertises civilian job openings for Industrial Hygienists. Here's one at a grade of GS-13

    https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/PrintPreview/305424300

    DUTIES:

    · Serve as a technical consultant to management on industrial hygiene evaluations of the work environment. Conduct health hazard evaluations and promote effective occupational health and safety practices throughout the wing and tenant organizations.
    · Conduct surveys, evaluations and auditing to identify and evaluate potential occupational health hazards using knowledge of IH principles, concepts, and practices. Assist in the planning and conducting sampling using various instrumentation and equipment.
    · Review regulatory requirements prior to conducting air sampling, and assess hazards; develops sampling strategies and applying recognized standards; helping with or performing sampling using indirect and direct reading instruments to quantify hazards.
    · Advise management on industrial hygiene issues, recommending actions to prevent or minimize health hazards, providing industrial hygiene input to risk management decision processes.
    · Assist with reviewing and evaluating plans for new construction, alteration of facilities or for new processes including new materials that are of a hazardous or toxic, nature.

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    Her qualifications really should be irrelevant. There's plenty of people with seemingly impressive credentials (like Ted Gunderson, head of the Los Angeles FBI office) who fall into conspiracy culture and end up repeating bunk. It's the actual evidence that's important. She does not appear to have any.

    However, examining her credential IS still somewhat valid debunking if people are using it as evidence. It's a fallacy (appeal to authority), but still worth pointing out if the authority is fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick View Post
    Her qualifications really should be irrelevant. There's plenty of people with seemingly impressive credentials (like Ted Gunderson, head of the Los Angeles FBI office) who fall into conspiracy culture and end up repeating bunk. It's the actual evidence that's important. She does not appear to have any.

    However, examining her credential IS still somewhat valid debunking if people are using it as evidence. It's a fallacy (appeal to authority), but still worth pointing out if the authority is fake.
    That's part of the point, the appeal to authority is more detailed than the supposed evidence so far.
    We see this a lot in anonymous hoaxers, and sometimes, like A.C. Griffith, live ones.
    "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ...Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick View Post
    Her qualifications really should be irrelevant. There's plenty of people with seemingly impressive credentials (like Ted Gunderson, head of the Los Angeles FBI office) who fall into conspiracy culture and end up repeating bunk. It's the actual evidence that's important. She does not appear to have any.

    However, examining her credential IS still somewhat valid debunking if people are using it as evidence. It's a fallacy (appeal to authority), but still worth pointing out if the authority is fake.
    I was going to say that credentials should have nothing to do with it, but people abuse qualifications.

    I would be sold if she provided an honest and open CV (resume?).

    I will in a bit ;-)

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    I just want people to know Kristen is genuine in her providing of information, and her credentials are authentic. Email her directly, her email is valid and she is happy to answer and of your questions.

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    Good afternoon everyone,

    I found this thread by way of a friend informing me there were questions about the validity of my activism and the information I share. In the above comments there seems to be concerns about my background. I spent nine years in the USAF on active duty, the AF does not use "MOS" we use AFSC (Air Force Specialty Code). My AFSC was 4B071, I was an E-5 SSgt NCO. I completed certifications on the job from my extensive and diverse work experience and worked toward my degree while I was on active duty. Once I separated from Active Duty I was hired as a GS-12 at the VHA with the Position Description (PD) of "Industrial Hygienist/GEMS Coordinator. What GEMS mean is Green Environmental Management Systems. Another word for this is Environmental Specialist. I am currently in Grad school and working toward my CIH. With all this said, my background has little to do with my personal and professional integrity.

    I have done numerous media appearances and contributed to different sites as a journalist. Any time you put yourself out there in any forum, with it brings accepting there will be times you will be assumed a liar, made fun of, mocked for physical features and have your motives questioned. I applaud those who research information any one share, too often people jump on a conspiracy bandwagon without their own critical thinking. My involvement as an activist surrounding out government infringing upon our constitutionally protected liberty is directly coordinated with my leaving the military as a whistleblower. I used to think people who questioned “everything” were a hindrance on society and a waste of time to deal with. I found that, for some, it is not until something directly impacts you on a personal level that your eyes open to what really goes on and can happen.

    There have been comments made about me changing the descriptions of my job, which I disagree with. My job in the military was a multifaceted and complex, ranging from industrial hygiene, environmental, emergency response/management, and MNBC programs. One of the duties was to link hazardous materials brought on base to a specific task. In the AF us called a “3952”. Although an official form, it was also in an electronic format. Personnel would request the purchase and use of hazardous materials and it had to be approved, declined, or approved with conditions. In some cases, if in a different country, some chemicals could not be used to the host nation’s environmental laws.

    To avoid this thread going into an assumption direction, I am here to answer questions and reply back on this thread, or you can email me at [email protected]

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    First off she was enlisted, she was not a officer. Secondly I see all of you trying to disprove her and what she say's instead of looking up what she had to say and realizing that she is dead on. Her credentials are gained through actually on the job experience. She was in the Air Force as an enlisted person. She then left the Air Force and went to work for the VA. Her pay grade in the VA was GS.12. I see she invites all of you to Email her directly and will answer your questions. I also wanted to point out that nobody is trying to initerview any of you. That should go to show she knows what she is talking about and YOU don't. Stop being lap top hero's and judges and get out and do your own research.

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    Hey everyone, I forgot to post this in my previous reply. Here is the CFETP (Career Field Education and Training Plan) for my job in the Air Force. Page 23 goes into specific tasks of the job. This career field exists in the Air Force and a somewhat similar one the Army, although the Army has downsized theirs and now use Bio folks from the AF to deploy with Army units. In the attachment you will see how many different things were did as it related to health, safety, and environmental... along with emergency response. Its always hard to explain what I do, becuase its sort of a "Jack of all trades" in the realm of Environmental Safety and Health.

    http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/share...CFETP4B0X1.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristenmeghan View Post
    Hey everyone, I forgot to post this in my previous reply. Here is the CFETP (Career Field Education and Training Plan) for my job in the Air Force. Page 23 goes into specific tasks of the job. This career field exists in the Air Force and a somewhat similar one the Army, although the Army has downsized theirs and now use Bio folks from the AF to deploy with Army units. In the attachment you will see how many different things were did as it related to health, safety, and environmental... along with emergency response. Its always hard to explain what I do, becuase its sort of a "Jack of all trades" in the realm of Environmental Safety and Health.

    http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/share...CFETP4B0X1.pdf
    Hello Kristen . . . welcome . . . I am a retired AF member myself . . . didn't know anything about the Chemtrail conspiracy until 2009 . .
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    Are you all aware of the US Patents that admit geoengineering and weather modification?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristenmeghan View Post
    Are you all aware of the US Patents that admit geoengineering and weather modification?
    Yes. Patents only show that someone has thought about something, and thought it might be used at some point.

    I does not show that that thing is viable, planned to be used, or actually in use.

    Example:

    http://www.google.com/patents/US3216423
    APPARATUS FOR FACILITATING THE BIRTH OF A CHILD BY CENTRIFUGAL FORCE


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristenmeghan View Post
    Are you all aware of the US Patents that admit geoengineering and weather modification?
    By going to http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html one can search for "Chemtrails" and here's the result:

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    Remote-controlled vehicle for transporting bio-waste

    Abstract A remote-controlled vehicle for collecting and transporting bio-waste that is capable of compacting bio-waste, dumping the waste in a variety of ways, and that has a rechargeable battery, among other functions, is disclosed. A system for collecting the bio-waste material also is provided. The system includes a plurality of collection receptacles associated with a structure, each of the plurality of collection receptacles receiving the bio-waste material without the use of water as a carrier. A transport network extends from each of the plurality of collection receptacles to at least one storage receptacle located at the structure. A plurality of vehicles, or carts, is disposed within the transport network and collect the bio-waste material.

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    RFID environmental manipulation


    Abstract A system and method to reduce signal to noise ratio within an RFID enabled warehouse or distribution center by introducing highly reflective aluminum oxide particulate into the atmospheric environment of the warehouse or distribution center. The aluminum oxide will be comprised of nano size particulate manufactured in an aerosol format. This particulate will be introduced into the environment through the auspices of the heating, ventilation and air conditioning mechanism associated with the environment. The levels of particulate will be monitored through the use of strategically placed sensors in order to maintain regulatory compliance. Furthermore, the signal to noise ratio will be enhanced by reducing ambient noise emanating from light fixtures in the environment through the strategic placement of inferential filters. Furthermore, the signal to noise ratio from man made sources will be reduced by using horizontally configured backscatter transmitting antenna within the environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chemx View Post
    By going to http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html one can search for "Chemtrails" and here's the result:
    Two of them this is just because it's in the URL of a reference for Dyn-o-gel. The other is Also an "other reference", which is basically the patent filer googling for anything that sounds vaguely similar to what they are theorizing (in this case improving RFID reception in a warehouse)

    I does not really mean anything

    (Note user name "Chemtrails" changed to "Chemx" for clarity)

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    Yes, and gladly "chemtrails" were mentioned there as otherwise I would have not found that patent. I encourage you all to visit that page to see what this product is all about.

    Dyn-O-Mat Promises Clear Skies . . . New storm-fighting product dissipates clouds," as published online at <http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Chemtrails/Dyn-O-Gel.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chemx View Post
    Yes, and gladly "chemtrails" were mentioned there as otherwise I would have not found that patent. I encourage you all to visit that page to see what this product is all about.

    Dyn-O-Mat Promises Clear Skies . . . New storm-fighting product dissipates clouds," as published online at <http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Chemtrails/Dyn-O-Gel.html
    It was basically the ingredient found diapers. A bit of an investor con it seems.

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    Thanks for the clarification Kristen. Like I've said before, I don't think qualifications are that important - it's the facts that are important. Qualifications usually only come into play when someone makes an "appeal to authority" - like "X says this, and X is in the air force, so it must be true".

    I presume you still believe in chemtrails? Do you have what you would consider to be some "smoking gun" piece of evidence?

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    Its funny the debunkers are bringing up the appeal to authority argument, isn't that their go to move? They also like to pick and choose which facts they use and choose to ignore others, the real science is debunking the debunkers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Its funny the debunkers are bringing up the appeal to authority argument, isn't that their go to move? They also like to pick and choose which facts they use and choose to ignore others, the real science is debunking the debunkers!
    Which facts have been ignored? Please bring them up here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Its funny the debunkers are bringing up the appeal to authority argument, isn't that their go to move? They also like to pick and choose which facts they use and choose to ignore others, the real science is debunking the debunkers!
    The first reason why we look into background is to do due diligence. Sometimes people aren't who or what they say they are.
    I'm satisfied for now, although I've still seen no proof for her expertise which I can confirm through another independent source.
    If she isn't what she says she is, it will come to light eventually, anyways.
    The second reason is that Kristen hasn't shown anything else to which anybody can speak to. If she does, it can be discussed.
    That is why this thread has gone nowhere.
    That is why I have asked some questions.
    "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ...Mark Twain

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    Jay, feel free to friend me on FB, a lot of my old colleagues can let you know I am who I say I am. I am trying to think what I can provide here as far as my epertise for ya.

    I posted the link to the duties of my job in the AF. Most documents I have contain my ssn but I could black them out. I know what its like to want to verify someone or their credentials.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Reynolds View Post
    The first reason why we look into background is to do due diligence. Sometimes people aren't who or what they say they are.
    I'm satisfied for now, although I've still seen no proof for her expertise which I can confirm through another independent source.
    If she isn't what she says she is, it will come to light eventually, anyways.
    The second reason is that Kristen hasn't shown anything else to which anybody can speak to. If she does, it can be discussed.
    That is why this thread has gone nowhere.
    That is why I have asked some questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristenmeghan View Post
    Jay, feel free to friend me on FB, a lot of my old colleagues can let you know I am who I say I am. I am trying to think what I can provide here as far as my epertise for ya.

    I posted the link to the duties of my job in the AF. Most documents I have contain my ssn but I could black them out. I know what its like to want to verify someone or their credentials.
    I think we are past the credential thing. Let's move on to evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Reynolds View Post
    The first reason why we look into background is to do due diligence. Sometimes people aren't who or what they say they are.
    I'm satisfied for now, although I've still seen no proof for her expertise which I can confirm through another independent source.
    If she isn't what she says she is, it will come to light eventually, anyways.
    The second reason is that Kristen hasn't shown anything else to which anybody can speak to. If she does, it can be discussed.
    That is why this thread has gone nowhere.
    That is why I have asked some questions.
    Is it due diligence? Or is it cognitive dissonance? What I see is people making all sorts of excuses like "OH her eye movements are pointing in different directions"! And "OH shes just seeking attention!" I mean there must be just no possible way she could have the credentials she says she has if she is saying the things she does! Clearly, there are never any legitimate whistleblowers and besides even if there were that would just be using an "appeal to authority" argument anyways! Lets instead point to the facts, the facts backed by data that a team of scientists or people (appeal to majority) that suffer from group think and are well compensated for their actions, while ignoring a minority of people who present different data because clearly they have ulterior motives!

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