Sandy Hook disinformation

[katsung47]

If Sandy Hook shooting is a hoax, no others could do it except the Fedsbecause so many resources were activated: police, media, government officialsand informants (some were called as "actors" by people.) And they ofcourse would let out disinformation to meddle the water.
Here is a doctored picture. Madeline and Samantha have no legs in thephoto.


And they deliberately let Madeline wearing Emilie's dress in photo withObama. At the purpose to confusing people then to prove the suspicious peopleare "conspiracy theorist". Remember, no others have the motive andresource to do that. Those who could take pictures of Obama and Samantha havethe privilege or that photo was a product of the "strategyoffice"(disinformation office) too.

[PCWilliams]

Madeline and Samantha have no legs in thephoto.

They are straddling their father's leg.

[jvnk08]

Let's talk about the Government's motive:

Stage a false flag attack involving dead children in order to elicit public support for gun control, in the hopes that people will willingly give up their guns.




Please read this before going any farther:

http://www.propublica.org/article/ma...state-gun-laws

So the logic here is that they didn't do any research into whether or not a "false flag" would work for this purpose, correct?

They also completely failed to convince the people who they needed to convince most if their goal was to disarm the public: the people who already have lots of guns and already think the government is trying to take them since long before the shooting.

Logic fail.


Furthermore, note the first photo is from 2 years ago....why wouldn't the younger sister be wearing the same dress? It's a hand-me-down.

[Biggerdave]

Why can't people just accept that someone simply can be mad and will just walk into a school and kill a room full of kids. Sometimes that is just the way of the world and often with no reason.

[Pete Tar]

Let's talk about the Government's motive:

Stage a false flag attack involving dead children in order to elicit public support for gun control, in the hopes that people will willingly give up their guns.

There is now a counter conspiracy theory that says the discrepancies themselves were staged and were deliberately released to allow for shallow speculation that would by its ludicrous nature discredit all 'alternative thinkers' and allow for a crackdown on free speech. At least the paranoia is consistent.

[MikeC]

Yep - that is a common theme from various conspirators - plants within the movement to make them look ridiculous.

As if it was needed.....

[JRBids]

If Sandy Hook shooting is a hoax, no others could do it except the Fedsbecause so many resources were activated: police, media, government officialsand informants (some were called as "actors" by people.) And they ofcourse would let out disinformation to meddle the water.
Here is a doctored picture. Madeline and Samantha have no legs in thephoto.


And they deliberately let Madeline wearing Emilie's dress in photo withObama. At the purpose to confusing people then to prove the suspicious peopleare "conspiracy theorist". Remember, no others have the motive andresource to do that. Those who could take pictures of Obama and Samantha havethe privilege or that photo was a product of the "strategyoffice"(disinformation office) too.

I can see Samantha's left leg next to her father's leg. The two children are straddling his legs.

[Pete Tar]

Madeline is side-saddle, and has turned her body to face towards the camera.
In the Obama photo they appear to have legs.

[PCWilliams]

There is now a counter conspiracy theory that says the discrepancies themselves were staged and were deliberately released to allow for shallow speculation that would by its ludicrous nature discredit all 'alternative thinkers' and allow for a crackdown on free speech. At least the paranoia is consistent.

[Pete Tar]

I think the basic idea of subversion of the counter-reality (any generic conspiracy theory) by agent provocateurs has been around a long time. This CT is just following the pattern.
It can be a way for conspiracy theorists to cognitively excuse themselves when the theory starts to look like it is failing or is getting overly ridiculous. They get to keep their conspiracy fix and escape the corner they've backed themselves into.
They say it's an attempt to portray all questioning or examination of authority as either dangerous or insane.
There could be a point to that. Disgustingly, there are infiltrations of movements by state agents that try to escalate things so they have an excuse to crack down. I think that is inexcusable unethical behaviour in a supposed free-society.
You dont egg people on so they'll crack and you can justify overwhelming force, physical or ideological.


But in this case, I'm confident the ridiculous hysteria has been entirely self-generated, no guiding intervention required.

[Unregistered]

Let's talk about the Government's motive:

Stage a false flag attack involving dead children in order to elicit public support for gun control, in the hopes that people will willingly give up their guns.




Please read this before going any farther:

http://www.propublica.org/article/ma...state-gun-laws

So the logic here is that they didn't do any research into whether or not a "false flag" would work for this purpose, correct?

They also completely failed to convince the people who they needed to convince most if their goal was to disarm the public: the people who already have lots of guns and already think the government is trying to take them since long before the shooting.


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Logic fail

Furthermore, note the first photo is from 2 years ago....why wouldn't the younger sister be wearing the same dress? It's a hand-me-down.

This is what i found on public post ...................

Content from external source:

LOOK MY ANONS iVE bEEN THROWING GAS ON THE FIRE FOR THE NEWTOWN SHOOTING I am a Doctor in Newtown when the call came in at 8am we were ready for a blood bath trama one was ready 2 and 3 fully staffed we turned the adult and child ER into one unit awaiting heavy losses but the thing that hit me was we got the call at 8 am and the first 911 calls happend 45mins later even worse no one came we were told to shut down after waiting for 6 hours later we were all told to leave go home unless you have clinic duty my love of my life is the Coroner for the state was also waiting she was told to go home this is a federal matter and to not interfear I was shocked that no bodys left the school for almost 19 hours and the most disturbing thing my love checked the books and the terminals the records have no death certifacted for any of the children who died that day . i was very confused then see the parents of these children who were just"MURDERED"smiling laughing after talking about there children and i stood up and woke up my girl and said baby this is all fake a set up from start to finish so i dug deeper to see what i could find during this "MASSACRE" there were 17 ambulences scattered about the school but when talking to our locAL drivers they were told to take the day off and allow the federal officers to use ther emergency vehicle please excuse my spelling im so tiered .on top of all that we has a real emergency a fire where 3 people burned to death because they could not get emergency vehicles to there location in west newtown and they have death paper work so finaly I told a new crew i wanted the site of this massacre tested for dna blood ect i request a tour of the school the principal says yes but when they find out we are trying to get samples and see if there was any blood spatter or dna left they freak Y IDK i mean 17 children killed at point blank range has to leave tons of dna but no we were kicked out our videos taken the next day the state board wants to pull the school down and erect a monument for the fallen children right after my visit im posting this so if anonymous will pick up the cause of the 2nd amendment we have the right to tank if we have the urge to its our right please help brings this lie to light before its too late also some one posted obama was trash talking the group and its true right after his big speech he said dont worry about anonymous we have them under control i dare them to interfere like he knew you guys wouldnt please help us hear in newtown we all see this lie grow and grow finaly i would like to say we have all recieved a letter concerning ur hippa rights as of april we half to report any one with any mental issues as simple as anxiety disorder and dipression who owns a gun just for having any mental symptoms please these are our motheres fathers sisters brothers lovers and friends help protect them good night

[Mick]

This is what i found on public post ...................

Well, that's obviously not a doctor in Newtown. Where did you find that? Or did you just make it up?

I see you posted the same think in another thread without the "this is what i found" preamble. So I'm assuming you just made it up. You are just trolling. Stop it.

[katsung47]

Government monopolized the news agency. Theycensored the important news of Sandy Hook shootings. Sandy Hook - Judge sealspolice records for 90 days. It helps to fume suspicion of people. Why did theyrelease so much inconsistent information on Sandy Hook shooting?

Do you know why they released the following news(MANY 9-11 "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE)? Because there are manypeople work for government as informants. They are afraid of becoming sacrificeswhen they were told to carry out a mission. So the late news (hijackers stillalive) released to comfort them. Now we saw so many disinformation releasedlater after Sandy Hook shooting. It hints "we didn't kill that manychildren". That's the trick how the government fool you the people.

MANY 9-11 "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE.

http://guardian.150m.com/september-e...till-alive.jpg

The world's media has reported that many of theso-called hijackers "fingered" by the FBI are still alive. Forexample the BBC (British Broadcasting Cooperation) carried this report:

Hijack "suspects" alive and well.

The following article is a remake ofhttp://www.mujahideen.fsnet.co.uk/wtc/wtc-hijackers.htm which lists many of themedia articles dealing with the hijackers who were not hijackers.

http://guardian.150m.com/september-e...kers-alive.htm

[jvnk08]

Government monopolized the news agency. Theycensored the important news of Sandy Hook shootings. Sandy Hook - Judge sealspolice records for 90 days. It helps to fume suspicion of people. Why did theyrelease so much inconsistent information on Sandy Hook shooting?

Do you know why they released the following news(MANY 9-11 "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE)? Because there are manypeople work for government as informants. They are afraid of becoming sacrificeswhen they were told to carry out a mission. So the late news (hijackers stillalive) released to comfort them. Now we saw so many disinformation releasedlater after Sandy Hook shooting. It hints "we didn't kill that manychildren". That's the trick how the government fool you the people.

Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't it to be expected that a case like this would have limited info released to the public until it is in court(or after a verdict has been reached)?

I don't really understand your second point.

[Mick]

Government monopolized the news agency.

I like to try to have some discussion with conspiracy theorists. But statements like that don't even make any sense. are you saying there are zero independent reporters in the world? That everyone into the world has to run their stories through government censors first?

What do you think was the important news of Sandy Hook? Why can't you wait90 days?

Why is your curiosity more important than potential court cases?

I'm trying to figure out how to address these kind of conspiracies, but I'm fast suspecting it's not really worth trying.

[MikeC]

Do you know why they released the following news(MANY 9-11 "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE)? Because there are manypeople work for government as informants. They are afraid of becoming sacrificeswhen they were told to carry out a mission. So the late news (hijackers stillalive) released to comfort them.

Either that or, as is mentioned in the article you linked to, they were cases of identity thft -

Content from external source:

That's right! Seven of the nineteen "hijackers" are alive and well. They were victims of identity theft, some of whom had had their passports stolen.

So that site actually acknowledges that it was identity theft - not actually hijackers being still alive!

You can read about the identity issues on wiki - and that was all they were - confusion.

There is now no doubt about who the hijackers were. Sorry about that.

[katsung47]

I like to try to have some discussion with conspiracy theorists. But statements like that don't even make any sense. are you saying there are zero independent reporters in the world? That everyone into the world has to run their stories through government censors first?

What do you think was the important news of Sandy Hook? Why can't you wait90 days?

Why is your curiosity more important than potential court cases?

I'm trying to figure out how to address these kind of conspiracies, but I'm fast suspecting it's not really worth trying.

"zero independent reporters in the world" is your word, not mine. Government monopolize the news is a phenominon observed by people. Here is a comment:
BinLaden denied involvement in 911 in the interview. US mainstream media censoredthis news.

TheOsama bin Laden Myth

PaulCraig Roberts
November26, 2012|
.....
Tocheck my memory of the lack of coverage, I googled “Osama bin Laden’s interviewdenying responsibility for 9/11.” Some Internet sites reproduced the interview,but the only mainstream news source that I found was a 1 minute YouTube videofrom CNN in which the anchor, after quoting an al Jazeera report of bin Laden’sdenial, concludes that “we can all weigh that in the scale of credibility andcome to our own conclusions.” In other words, bin Laden had already beendemonized, and his denial was not credible.

The sensational news was unfit for US citizens and was withheld from them by theamerican “free press,” a press free to lie for the government but not to tellthe truth.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012...-laden-myth-2/

I think it's important to release some news such like "security video", and the Picture case of Allison Wyatt, the "second shooter" video. There is no necessity to hold the information for 90 days. Why can't I demand more information? Is there a possibility that they collect all suspicions then to make a "perfect story"?

[Cairenn]

If you CHOOSE to believe every wild story there is that your choice, I see from your posts elsewhere that you believe in things that can not physically exist, so you need solid PROOF for me to even bother looking into your claims,

[Mick]

The court system does not exist to satisfy your curiosity. It exists to administer justice. Prematurely revealing evidence in a pending court case can jeopardize justice by either tipping off those under investigation, or by prejudging them and influencing a jury.

[katsung47]

The court system does not exist to satisfy your curiosity. It exists to administer justice. Prematurely revealing evidence in a pending court case can jeopardize justice by either tipping off those under investigation, or by prejudging them and influencing a jury.

Strange words from your mouth. Do you defend on behalf for the police and judge? Then what is the purpose you set up a forum here? To tip off those under investigation or influence a jury?

[Mick]

Strange words from your mouth. Do you defend on behalf for the police and judge? Then what is the purpose you set up a forum here? To tip off those under investigation or influence a jury?

To uncover and expose bunk. My interest is in promoting science and reason, and reducing the impact of bunk in the world.

The claims in your original post here are bunk. They are improbably suppositions with zero evidence, and statements that are obviously false.

If you want to make claims, then be very specific, and provide specific evidence.

[katsung47]

To uncover and expose bunk. My interest is in promoting science and reason, and reducing the impact of bunk in the world.

The claims in your original post here are bunk. They are improbably suppositions with zero evidence, and statements that are obviously false.

If you want to make claims, then be very specific, and provide specific evidence.

I'm afraid you have other purpose to collect information of suspicous people. Because you even didn't explain how my original post is a bunk. Here I add more in that two pictures.(without change anything previous posted)

If Sandy Hook shooting is a hoax, no others could do it except the Fedsbecause so many resources were activated: police, media, government officialsand informants (some were called as "actors" by people.) And they ofcourse would let out disinformation to meddle the water.
Here is a doctored picture. Madeline and Samanthahave no legs in the photo.



And they deliberately let Madeline wearing Emilie's dress in photo withObama. At the purpose to confusing people then to prove the suspicious peopleare "conspiracy theorist". Remember, no others have the motive andresource to do that. Those who could take pictures of Obama and Samantha havethe privilege or that photo was a product of the "strategyoffice"(disinformation office) too.


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That picture was created particularly to mislead people to conclude Emilyhadn't died. (they let Madeline wear Emily's dress) That's a trap set up forsuspicious people. It proves even the president could be obedient actor to bemanipulated by the perpetrator. See how happy those actors are. Are they familymembers who just lost a lovely girl and after memory service, or it was acelebrating party?

[Mick]

Sorry Katsung, you just keep making these outrageous claims and producing no evidence, so you are essentially trolling. I've banned you for two months.

[JeffreyNotGeoffrey]

One overarching problem with CTs is the inability to change in the face of overwhelming evidence. They repeat the same discredited claims almost expecting a new reception.

[katsung47]

(1) In January, I read a post about Emilie’s fund raising page. I went thereand copied the page content then wrote the following: “Tell me who was so efficientto open a donation account in Credit Union for poor Emily and then set up apage in facebook the same day of her death?

Original funding page in facebook (thecontent I copied):

Joined Facebook 12/14/2012
Native of Utah, Emilie Parker waskilled in the shooting at Sandy Hook Elem. We are seeking to assist the Parkersby setting up the Emilie Parker Memorial Fund at America First Credit Union inUtah.
Description
Instructions on the Emilie Parker Memorial Accountat America First Credit Union (account #5001359). For AFCU members making atransfer, select the Savings as the type of account, and the last name on theaccount is Parker. For non AFCU members, the AFCU routing number is 324377516.This account has been shared by several Utah media outlets and can be trusted.Thank you.

A PAYPAL account is also available if you use theemail [email protected]

https://www.facebook.com/EmilieParkerFund/info “