Why bother debunking when...

[Cairenn]

It is like folks saying that they hate politics. Politics are a fact of life, in any group of more than 2 people. Kids do it, without thinking. Johnny will get Sally to agree that she wants pizza, so they can tag team mom. Politics is what keeps us from getting into more physical violence when we disagree with someone, we see if we can get something we need or want from them.

'Conspiracies' are often the same way. Parents will conspire together to get their children to do their homework and chores.

[SeanDWalker]

It's all institutionalised selfishness and fear to me I think, but I see how you can define it as a conspiracy. Humanity conspires and colludes, and that's one of the disconnects I didn't grasp for a long time, that common-garden conspiracy theorist often sees themselves as above this, and usually ends up participating in another form of it.

Self delusion and justification are two of my favourite reading topics at the moment.

I'd say one thing though, I don't define a person who goes along with something because they'd starve if they didn't as 'stupid' necessarily. I USED to, but I don't any more. I see a lot more shades to that kind of thing these days.

I do not mean the individual is stupid, but collectively we are stupid - the individual will starve if they let go of the banking system, the collective wouldn't if they chose to opt out....or at-least stand a better chance against the siege like conditions which would develop.

Find it interesting that you all agree conspiracy is nearly at the core of things in one way or the other; be it little or big, makes me wonder why spend so much time de-bunking the unreal and not highlighting the actual conspiracies? not really a dig, because i'm here reading up on all your de-bunking, rather than plotting my revolution..haha.

[Cairenn]

Because the unreal conspiracies have a negative effect. First they undermine the trust that folks have in organizations. While these organizations may have individuals that do wrong, and sometimes they lose their way, it is these same organizations that we need to provide us with what we need, from protection, to the goods and services.

Sometimes the conspiracies can have even worse effects, like the folks that believed the nonsense about the oil spill and that fled the gulf coast, abandoning homes and jobs. There are folks that undergo needless 'detoxing' treatments, and that included children.

[Grieves]

I personally think the trust Americans have in some of their security and intelligence organizations is in very dire need of undermining, given the propaganda machines they've got working in their favor.

[Mick]

I personally think the trust Americans have in some of their security and intelligence organizations is in very dire need of undermining, given the propaganda machines they've got working in their favor.

I somewhat agree, but I'd prefer to do it with facts, not bunk and speculation.

[Mick]

I think you're being quite deliberate here, as you know full well of that 6,000 only 100 or so, probably less come from a 'political' background.

I was not being 'deliberate' in the sense of ignoring that. It never occurred to me.

I imagine people are more likely to be politicians if their parents are politicians - but what percentage of MPs have parents who are MPs? Is it higher than the percentage of teachers who have parents that are teachers?

[Jazzy]

Find it interesting that you all agree conspiracy is nearly at the core of things in one way or the other.

Conspirators and conspiracy theorists both suffer from trust issues. This makes them less productive in an open society. Those neither committing nor theorizing conspiracy get more work done.

The trick is to get to a stable open society and maintain it - and keep it open. The more open (and well-informed!*) it becomes, the less leverage either of these groups will possess.

* Bunk being misinformation and the antithesis of what is good.

Conspiracy theorists unwittingly** help conspirators by burying the truth within misinformation, and/or missing it entirely. Eroding trust suits the interests of both groups, but not of the rest of us.

** Or maybe not.

[JRBids]

Because the unreal conspiracies have a negative effect. First they undermine the trust that folks have in organizations. While these organizations may have individuals that do wrong, and sometimes they lose their way, it is these same organizations that we need to provide us with what we need, from protection, to the goods and services.

Sometimes the conspiracies can have even worse effects, like the folks that believed the nonsense about the oil spill and that fled the gulf coast, abandoning homes and jobs. There are folks that undergo needless 'detoxing' treatments, and that included children.

Effects like this? Our old chemtrail friend and her cronies are getting into ingesting essential oils to purge the Morgellons. I'd like to say "hilarity ensued". . .

[Mick]

Rather more horrific than anything. Unfortunately the type of person who self-diagnoses with Morgellons is also very likely to self treat in extreme ways. You hear about them bathing in bleach, and spending hours picking at their skin. It's very sad.

http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1102402

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For 4 days I am spitting small specks of wet white crystals, red glitter, pepper corns, tiny crescent worms. I know this is morgellons purging bui I need to know if this is good, how long will this continue, and will I be rid of the worms or are new ones forming as well? Every day for the past week I have been eating about 5-6 navel and clementine oranges, and eating alfalpha sprouts. Also I took 6 combantrim 360 mg pyrantel pamote tablets. Now my hair is spewing wet spits and itching like mad. I used Lyson 4 in 1 and poured hair spray and wore a hat for 2 days. Now After 2 days they are back and busy webbing my hair. I bought R&C shampoo to rid them as lice and nits. I have bathed and sprayed my self with lysol, pine sol, peroxide, undiluted, bleach, ammonia, bathed in pure table salt and rubbed it into my skin, along with Lysol, man does that ever sting. Last night I put Kwellada for scabies and crabs on my skin. I know this is crazy and dangerous, but I am willing to put anything on me to rid the worms. The whole house is covered with the various ever changing wads of hair, coloured cotton balls, white and black carpe loom threads.

[Cairenn]

It sounds like that lady needs to clean the house instead of spending her time on her 'disease'. I would expect that all those CHEMICALS she is using are doing a lot of damage to her skin and her body. Taking a pet dewormer--

[JRBids]

Rather more horrific than anything. Unfortunately the type of person who self-diagnoses with Morgellons is also very likely to self treat in extreme ways. You hear about them bathing in bleach, and spending hours picking at their skin. It's very sad.

http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1102402

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For 4 days I am spitting small specks of wet white crystals, red glitter, pepper corns, tiny crescent worms. I know this is morgellons purging bui I need to know if this is good, how long will this continue, and will I be rid of the worms or are new ones forming as well? Every day for the past week I have been eating about 5-6 navel and clementine oranges, and eating alfalpha sprouts. Also I took 6 combantrim 360 mg pyrantel pamote tablets. Now my hair is spewing wet spits and itching like mad. I used Lyson 4 in 1 and poured hair spray and wore a hat for 2 days. Now After 2 days they are back and busy webbing my hair. I bought R&C shampoo to rid them as lice and nits. I have bathed and sprayed my self with lysol, pine sol, peroxide, undiluted, bleach, ammonia, bathed in pure table salt and rubbed it into my skin, along with Lysol, man does that ever sting. Last night I put Kwellada for scabies and crabs on my skin. I know this is crazy and dangerous, but I am willing to put anything on me to rid the worms. The whole house is covered with the various ever changing wads of hair, coloured cotton balls, white and black carpe loom threads.

Gnarly has purchased a microscope and is now filming the "lizard like worms" that are growing out of her skin. When a friend suggesting "scrubbing with borax" she said she tried but they grow from inside the skin and come back. Combine that with a desire to get a missile and shoot down a plane, and people have the nerve to say comments like that aren't dangerous.

[Cairenn]

This is a good example of a lie/hoax causeing damage. This is about a teenager Destin Fl, whose family fell victim to the fears about the Corexit poisoning of the Gulf.
Last Oct, a year after the spill, he was healthy enough to compete and win in jet skiing.

Then this shows up

My son is currently detoxing at the Environment Health Center in Dallas. The drs told us yesterday that if we went back to Destin (FL) he would continue to be sick. So when we leave here Thursday we are headed to central Florida with the clothes on our back. They said to take absolutely nothing that it would all have toxins. I am walking away from my life of 45 years living in what I thought was paradise raising 3 kids! Just devastated( ~ Kim Hohnadell

Kim Hohnadell

The doctor doing the 'detox' has lost his license in a couple of states and been repremanded in others

There is a lot more info on this here

https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Gu...02770319832700

It turns out that boy had a Chiari malformation of the brain

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/chi...mation/DS00839

In spite of that the mom continued believing in the fiction that her son had been 'poisoned'.

[Jazzy]

Unfortunately the type of person who self-diagnoses with Morgellons is also very likely to self treat in extreme ways.

I find it difficult to bear reading about it, or even think about M. It's a mind out of control intervening with its body's immune responses, I suppose. Or maybe the very reverse. Or both. Initiated by an unknown stimulus?

Whatever it is, I find it creepy and difficult to deal with. I never wrote much about it, except to observe that the disease history precedes the history of aviation.

I admire you for having addressed it. Euch.