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    Chemtrails and Wireless Tech Link

    Unbelievably blatant conflation of unsupported pseudo-scientific claims -

    Chemtrails, Wireless And You

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    Next time you’re on a cellphone looking up at those long lingering plumes spreading across the sky, you might decide to end that call. If you spot any cell towers, roof-mounted transmitters or high-voltage [COLOR=#DD3C42 !important]power lines[/COLOR] within a mile of your location, you may wish to evacuate the area immediately. And once home, you will want to permanently disconnect all wireless devices, including [COLOR=#DD3C42 !important]computer routers[/COLOR] and “always-on” portable phone cradles. Because what you see in the sky is what you breathe. And chances are you’ve been breathing barium for more than a decade. - See more at: http://www.pakalertpress.com/2013/03....cHTFPKF1.dpuf



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    Some claims (some have been already debunked) -


    ...Clifford Carnicom began documenting high levels of reactive barium salts falling from chemtrails grids over Santa Fe, New Mexico. Carnicom claimed these salts are making the Earth more conductive.


    The EPA-tested snow on Mt. Shasta shows aluminum at 61,100 units.


    In 2008, a Louisiana newscast focused on barium, which the news station called a “hallmark of chemtrails.” When KSLA had chemtrail fallout analysed, the 6.8 ppm barium levels was “more than six times the toxic level set by the EPA.” The Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality confirmed that the high levels of Barium were “very unusual.”
    Two years later, Arizona air particulates of aluminum and barium surged. Lab tests indicate how many times they are over the allowable toxic limit:
    Aluminum: 15.8x
    Barium: 5.3x

    Clifford Carnicom now states that the amount of Barium in our atmosphere exceeds by eight-times the level deemed safe for humans to breathe.


    In March 2002, two Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory scientists at Wright Patterson Air Force Base told award-winning reporter Bob Fitrakis that they were involved in two aerial spray programs. One spreads aluminum oxide in the upper atmosphere to reflect incoming sunlight and slow global warming. The other lays down barium stearate aerosols for “over the horizon” military communications, 3-D mapping and radar. Soapy rainwater on highways is a signature of barium salts, one scientist said.
    They also confirmed that HAARP transmissions from Alaska are being used to bend the jetstream.


    Based on a complex conductivity equation known as the VTRPE, the USAF continues to spread barium into the upper atmosphere to “duct” electromagnetic energy over-the-horizon."



    To date, no agency or organisation is examining the effects of electrically conductive chemtrails over towns and cities already saturated with electromagnetic transmissions.


    Total number of scientific studies on the potential effects on humans, animals, plants and insects from electrically-conductive contrails: zero.

    The original authors site.
    http://willthomasonline.net/william%...0downloads.htm

    BEWARE THE TRUE DISBELIEVER The most dangerous words concerning smart meters and wireless are, “I don’t believe it’s dangerous.” This 23-page look into the cult of disbelief may open some minds...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyMonday View Post
    Unbelievably blatant conflation of unsupported pseudo-scientific claims -

    Chemtrails, Wireless And You

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    Next time you’re on a cellphone looking up at those long lingering plumes spreading across the sky, you might decide to end that call. If you spot any cell towers, roof-mounted transmitters or high-voltage [COLOR=#DD3C42 !important]power lines[/COLOR] within a mile of your location, you may wish to evacuate the area immediately. And once home, you will want to permanently disconnect all wireless devices, including [COLOR=#DD3C42 !important]computer routers[/COLOR] and “always-on” portable phone cradles. Because what you see in the sky is what you breathe. And chances are you’ve been breathing barium for more than a decade. - See more at: http://www.pakalertpress.com/2013/03....cHTFPKF1.dpuf



    http://www.pakalertpress.com/2013/03...eless-and-you/

    And you should unplug all your stuff why?

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    Because then those pesky debunkers won't be able to persuade you it is all nonsense, and you will by stuff from me and/or visit my advertisers- did you not notice the "Advertise here" spots, and the "Power companies hate this" scam adds??
    "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -Pascal
    "It is very important not to mistake hemlock for parsley; but not at all so to believe or not in God" - Diderot

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    How does wireless communication compare to the radio frequencies of the universe which bombard us all the time? There's a lot of that isn't there?
    It's legitimate to question the effects of wireless communication as we are making use of it more and more, but is it true we are saturated with more radio waves than we would have been in a pre-technological age? Aren't we just making use of something that was always there?
    Aren't the frequencies known to cause harm way above the scale we make use of anyway?
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    This is why we use a tinfoil hat - actually Aluminium foil - like a Faraday cage around our head to protect is from the mind altering rays.

    Just kidding (in case someone thinks I'm serious about this).

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    It seems that barium increases the action of EM signals

    "WIRELESS HEADACHES

    Headaches from stem from microwave-induced leakage of harmful molecules through the blood-brain barrier. [Electronics Australia Magazine Feb/00]

    At one-ten-thousands of a watt, the blood-brain barrier opens, allowing blood proteins inside to disrupt brain signals and start killing brain cells. A cell phone typically transmits at 2 watts.

    Just two minutes on a cell phone, or sitting near a wireless computer router or portable phone cradle, shorts-circuits the electrical ion activity powering the blood-brain barrier. This allows proteins and other blood toxins to enter the brain and resume damaging neurons in thinking and memory centers. Dr. Leif Salford is finding “astonishing number of dead neuron cells, actually suffering holes in their brains from the damage” caused by a single cell phone call.

    No wonder wireless-altered brains lead to lack of concentration, memory loss, aggressive behavior, accelerated aging, impaired learning ability and dementia. Fibrils of proteins clumping in electromagnetically-altered brains are an identifying characteristic of Alzheimer’s, Early Onset Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, Fibromyalgia, Multiple Sclerosis and cancer patients.

    “There is strong evidence that… microwaves are associated with accelerated aging (enhanced cell death and cancer) and moods, depression, suicide, anger, rage and violence, primarily through alteration of cellular calcium ions and the melatonin/serotonin balance,” writes veteran EMF researcher Dr. Neil Cherry in New Zealand."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ross Marsden View Post
    This is why we use a tinfoil hat - actually Aluminium foil - like a Faraday cage around our head to protect is from the mind altering rays.

    Just kidding (in case someone thinks I'm serious about this).
    No, I'm pretty sure that is the actual reason.
    It definitely works, 100%. Common sense insurance really.
    "Details beget facts, and facts, judiciously sent forth, become assassins."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cairenn View Post
    It seems that barium increases the action of EM signals

    "WIRELESS HEADACHES

    Headaches from stem from microwave-induced leakage of harmful molecules through the blood-brain barrier. [Electronics Australia Magazine Feb/00]
    ...
    So it's electro-magnetic, not radio? Anyone want to tell me the difference? It's still the same spectrum that the universe bombards us with all the time isn't it?

    I get mobile internet, and sit a meter away from my phone all day (I lead a very fulfilled life). Is a mobile signal EM? I tether with a USB cable usually, sometimes I use the wireless signal to connect the Xbox.
    I also use a wireless keyboard and mouse.
    But I don't usually get headaches.

    I'm getting a headache from this cheap wine, but I choose to tolerate that. I must have alcohol induced leakage of harmful molecules through the blood-brain barrier.
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    There are some studies done with mice. My first thought is that mice are MUCH smaller and they have thin skulls. They would seem to be a convenient but poor study subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Tar View Post
    So it's electro-magnetic, not radio? Anyone want to tell me the difference? It's still the same spectrum that the universe bombards us with all the time isn't it?
    It's ionising v. non-ionising EM radiation. Basically whether or not the part of the EM spectrum in question (radio/microwave/visible light/infrared/gamma/etc) has enough energy to cause chemical bonds to break.

    Good page describing it here...

    http://www.arpansa.gov.au/radiationp...ion_nonion.cfm

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    Chemtrails, Wireless And You

    truther March 2, 2013

    via GeoengineeringWatch.org

    Next time you’re on a cellphone looking up at those long lingering plumes spreading across the sky, you might decide to end that call. If you spot any cell towers...

    -William Thomas Feb. 21, 2013



    The godfather of chemtrails is at it again, or would it be more accurate to say that he's never really stopped?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger Hippie View Post
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    Chemtrails, Wireless And You

    truther March 2, 2013

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    Next time you’re on a cellphone looking up at those long lingering plumes spreading across the sky, you might decide to end that call. If you spot any cell towers...

    -William Thomas Feb. 21, 2013



    The godfather of chemtrails is at it again, or would it be more accurate to say that he's never really stopped?
    He should have stopped. I had a good chat with him at the Chemtrails Conference, and pointed out some mistakes in his reasoning, specifically that he's be saying -70F for a decade when he actually meant -40F. We also discussed the ice budget argument (the weight of a trail of a specific optical density) which he seemed to understand quite well. I even gave him a copy of the paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick View Post
    He should have stopped. I had a good chat with him at the Chemtrails Conference, and pointed out some mistakes in his reasoning, specifically that he's be saying -70F for a decade when he actually meant -40F. We also discussed the ice budget argument (the weight of a trail of a specific optical density) which he seemed to understand quite well. I even gave him a copy of the paper.
    I propose that if Mr. Thomas arrives for a discussion, the -70F baseline temperature he set for contrail formation could be a first item for discussion, then move on to persistence, since these are the basic premises for ordinary contrails, and supposedly the means by which a "chemtrail" can be distinguished from a contrail.
    "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ...Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ross Marsden View Post
    This is why we use a tinfoil hat - actually Aluminium foil - like a Faraday cage around our head to protect is from the mind altering rays.

    Just kidding (in case someone thinks I'm serious about this).
    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Tar View Post
    No, I'm pretty sure that is the actual reason.
    It definitely works, 100%. Common sense insurance really.
    Ah! Of course the Faraday Cage thing is correct.
    My "Just kidding" refers to the implication that I (or we) actually wear a TFH for that purpose.
    Sorry to be unclear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Reynolds View Post
    I propose that if Mr. Thomas arrives for a discussion, the -70F baseline temperature he set for contrail formation could be a first item for discussion, then move on to persistence, since these are the basic premises for ordinary contrails, and supposedly the means by which a "chemtrail" can be distinguished from a contrail.
    Agreed, so I wrote a post about that in the thread:
    http://metabunk.org/threads/1234-Wil...0432#post30432

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ross Marsden View Post
    Ah! Of course the Faraday Cage thing is correct.
    My "Just kidding" refers to the implication that I (or we) actually wear a TFH for that purpose.
    Sorry to be unclear.
    Sorry, I deliberately mis-understood just to make a cheap joke.
    "Details beget facts, and facts, judiciously sent forth, become assassins."

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