The Claims of Francis Mangels- a Factual Examination

[Steve Funk]

from the 6/25/12 "What we know," document:

• Shastice park (in Mt.ShastaCity) stream water has 1540 ug/l of aluminum. Other streams have more, certainly bad for aquatic insects if permanent.

The problem is, there are no streams in Shastice Park. It is near my house and I go there often. Shastice Park has athletic fields, community garden and skating areas, but no stream. There is another park in town which does have a stream, and there is a quasi-park at Sisson Meadows owned by the Siskiyou Land Conservancy that has a couple of streams. Perhaps the sample came from one of these other locations, but who knows. This is an example of Francis' carelessness with details.

[Mick]

Perhaps when it rains, you get some minor muddy "streams" running down a path or something like that. Note the 2/28/11 version says:

Content from external source:

• Shastice park (in Mt. Shasta City) stream water has 1540 ug/l of aluminum. This is probably debilitating to trout, certainly bad for aquatic insects if permanent.

Certainly no trout in Shastice Park. Maybe he realized that.

The key thing with all of his groundwater tests is that he's not accounting for soil at all. He seemingly does not understand that the aluminum in muddy water is coming from the mud.

[Jay Reynolds]

I just eaxmined Mangels claim that he has lab reports showing large differences in aluminum content between soil in his backyard and soil (presumably not exposed to purported 'spraying) under his house. This was brought out first by Steve, and my calculations confirmed his. However, to examine the plausibility of Mangels claim, I found that to apply that same amount of aluminum oxide across just Siskiyou county would require 1/2 of the world's total aluminum oxide production!!

http://metabunk.org/threads/341-Debu...ll=1#post10853

[Steve Funk]

Perhaps when it rains, you get some minor muddy "streams" running down a path or something like that.

There is nothing remotely resembling a stream in Shastice Park. It is all grass and parking lot. He must be thinking of some other location.

[Jay Reynolds]

Hey, the Chemtrails Project is asking for suggestions on interview questions for an interview with Francis Mangels.

Facebook Feedback Needed: Francis Mangels (retired USDA biologist) Interview Questions.....

Hey Guys! This weekend I will be shooting an interview with Francis, which we will be playing at the Consciousness Beyond Chemtrails Conference. It will be a fully edited piece, a "mini-doc".

For one segment, I would like to ask him questions from Facebook. So if you have any questions for him, please let me know here. Anything regarding heavy metals in the rainwater, soil, effects on gardening - anything you can think of in that subject matter.

Thanks!!

https://www.facebook.com/chemtrailsproject

[Jay Reynolds]

The Claim:

This is what happened to the California tomato crop, same thing. pH went so high you could still get tomatoes, but you couldn't get a crop that was financially big enough to harvest."

Reality:

United States Department of Agriculture
National Agricultural Statistics Service
2012 California
Processing Tomato Report
Cooperating with the California Department of Food and Agriculture
California Field Office · P.O. Box 1258 · Sacramento, CA 95812 · (916) 498-5161 · (916) 498-5186 Fax · www.nass.usda.gov/ca
Released: August 31, 2012
2012 PROCESSING TOMATO PRODUCTION
Contracted production for California processing tomatoes is forecast at 12.9 million tons, averaging 50.0 tons per acre. The current forecast is 8.03
percent above the 2011 crop. Winter months were very dry causing water concerns to California processing tomato growers. Spring proved to be
wet as rains improved the water situation shortterm.

[lotek]

So did anything come of this? Is he still making claims? i guess that radio challenge never took off. the obvious errors in methodology here are... obvious. Anything come from the falsification of credentials?

i dont want to muddy the public appeal of this thread, but has no one noticed that no one in siskiyou is having any problems at all growing their marijuana plants outdoors? a plant that is very ph and nutrient lock sensitive..... just sayin...

[Jay Reynolds]

So did anything come of this? Is he still making claims? i guess that radio challenge never took off. the obvious errors in methodology here are... obvious. Anything come from the falsification of credentials?

i dont want to muddy the public appeal of this thread, but has no one noticed that no one in siskiyou is having any problems at all growing their marijuana plants outdoors? a plant that is very ph and nutrient lock sensitive..... just sayin...

I've seen that there is a current show on TV called "Weed Country" which glorifies large crops seeming to have no problems growing in that area.
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/we...t-the-show.htm

Mangels was asked by the radio show's host if he would debate me. Mangels claimed that he was in the process of "moving out of state". That turned out to not be true. I did confront Mangels recently on a Global Skywatch conference call. I was disconnected.

[lotek]

lol classy.

yea im aware they have zero problem growing weed there, both in their yards and in the very forests he talks about having sampled... and the plants are damn picky and wont flower proper/yield the desired quality if the ph is high. given the cash behind this and the desire of many people to keep organic in their production, one could gather some data on soil and growing conditions from them on non-commercial grower forums such as www.marijuanapassion.org. they are surprisingly open. ive never heard any problems with al/br/sr/high ph from them.

not that im ontop of that stuff or anything. like i said tho, theres lots of cash behind it so youd bet they would be all over if if their crops couldnt live. id even expect a higher likelyhood of them to buy into the hoax too lol.

[Biggerdave]

lol classy.

yea im aware they have zero problem growing weed there, both in their yards and in the very forests he talks about having sampled... and the plants are damn picky and wont flower proper/yield the desired quality if the ph is high. given the cash behind this and the desire of many people to keep organic in their production, one could gather some data on soil and growing conditions from them on non-commercial grower forums such as www.marijuanapassion.org. they are surprisingly open. ive never heard any problems with al/br/sr/high ph from them.

not that im ontop of that stuff or anything. like i said tho, theres lots of cash behind it so youd bet they would be all over if if their crops couldnt live. id even expect a higher likelyhood of them to buy into the hoax too lol.

Thanks mate, that post has made me laugh out loud. I will have to remember it in my next FB debate "Hey mate how is your skunk crop?" type of thing. Although, according to police records, most UK production is indoors.