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    Theres the Georgia Guidestones video where it mentions 500 million to 1 billion people...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Theres the Georgia Guidestones video where it mentions 500 million to 1 billion people...........
    Yes there is (actually says UNDER 500 million) - but the Georgia Guidestones are not what is being quoted. Nor are they evidence of anything other than one guy's personal opinion, set in stone.

    Personally I suspect the writer missed a zero, and intended to write five billion, which was a bit more than the world population at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeC View Post
    fluoridation is not "forced medication"
    Blatantly false.

    You would benefit from looking up the definitions of "medication" and "forced".

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    It is possible to filter flouoride out of water, or buy non fluoridated water in fluoridated areas - and no-one will then force you to drink the fluoridated water - so no, it does not not meet the definition of "forced".

    It is certainly mass medication though, and the alternatives I mention above are not always easy to accomplish. I have some sympathy for the mass medication/informed consent argument - but none at all for the typical BS put about by anti-fluoridites (it's mind control, it's killing us, it was used in concentration camps, it doesnt' help dental health at all, blah blah blah)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeC View Post
    It is possible to filter flouoride out of water, or buy non flouoridated water in fluoridated areas - and no-one will then force you to drink the flouoridated water - so no, it does not not meet the definition of "forced".

    It is certainly mass medication though, and the alternatives I mention above are not always easy to accomplish. I have some sympathy for the mass medication/informed consent argument - but none at all for the typical BS put about by anti-fluoridites (it's mind control, it's killing us, it was used in concentration camps, it doesnt' help dental health at all, blah blah blah)

    One point regarding flouoridation that is not bunk is that we pay for the stuff and with the various questions raised about the effectiveness of flouoridation (seperate from the question fo whether its harmful or helpful) combined with economic hard times everywhere one has to wonder why are the various local governments (not every where) still admitantly push for flouoridation? I admit I have no proof and it is pure speculation but I believe some if not a number of these local politcians are getting some kind of kick back to ensure their town/city/county contuinues to push for flouoridation. While the debate about whether its harmful of helpful is still going strong I do believe most on both sides have come to the agreement that flouoridation is an inneffective way to use flouride since theres no way to control dosage.

    If my government has to cut costs to meet a budget I would much rather they drop the flouoridation program then cut back on the operational hours of the local library or some other service.

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    Sodium fluoride is entirely different from organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate needed by our bodies and provided by nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoochieBoochie View Post
    Sodium fluoride is entirely different from organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate needed by our bodies and provided by nature.
    What does your body need calcium-fluoro-phosphate for?

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    Bones and teeth contain large amounts of bone minerals, the most common being forms of hydroxylapatite one of which is Fluorapatite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SR1419 View Post
    It seems to me a lot of the conspiracy folks confuse reducing population growth with reducing the population of those already alive.

    Reducing population growth is simply that- reducing the rate at which the population increases through new births...through education, female empowerment, economic growth etc...(the richer you are the fewer babies you tend of have).

    That is not the same as suggesting reducing the current population through the elimination of people already alive..."culling" etc...
    You mean like how when the Federal government talks about "spending cuts" its actually talking about a reduction in the increases in spending over the next X fiscal years and not actual real cuts in spending, the kind of actual spending cuts we tax paying serfs have to make because we can;t print or borrow our way out of financial trouble?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeC View Post
    It is possible to filter flouoride out of water, or buy non fluoridated water in fluoridated areas - and no-one will then force you to drink the fluoridated water - so no, it does not not meet the definition of "forced".

    It is certainly mass medication though, and the alternatives I mention above are not always easy to accomplish. I have some sympathy for the mass medication/informed consent argument - but none at all for the typical BS put about by anti-fluoridites (it's mind control, it's killing us, it was used in concentration camps, it doesnt' help dental health at all, blah blah blah)
    Are you saying that all of those points, from 'mind control' to 'used in concentration camps' are all bunk or that you don't believe they are justification for the ending of fluoridation of public water supplies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCollarCritic View Post
    Are you saying that all of those points, from 'mind control' to 'used in concentration camps' are all bunk or that you don't believe they are justification for the ending of fluoridation of public water supplies?
    Mind control and concentration camps are essentialy the same thing - an oft repeated claim by a chap called Charles Perkins thatNazi's used it in Concentration camps to dumb down prisoners - to make thtm more controllable.

    But who was Charles Perkins? There is a claim he was sent by the US Govt to take charge of I.G. Faben after WW2 - but Perkins himself makes no actual mention of any connection with I. G. Faben in his book - an odd omission since it would be quite an important association to establish his credentials, and neither he nor fluoride rate any mention in "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben".

    Also I.G. Farbin had it's own war trial - the records are available online & I see no mention of Perkins or Fluoride in them - but they are very long - it's entirely possible I missed it so please feel free to point them out if you find any.

    Perkins' claim is analysed here, which notes his failure to actually document his claim.

    Others have looked for evidence to support the claim - eg this forum discussion from 2009, and this one - AFAIK no-one has actually found any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SR1419 View Post
    It seems to me a lot of the conspiracy folks confuse reducing population growth with reducing the population of those already alive.

    Reducing population growth is simply that- reducing the rate at which the population increases through new births...through education, female empowerment, economic growth etc...(the richer you are the fewer babies you tend of have).

    That is not the same as suggesting reducing the current population through the elimination of people already alive..."culling" etc...
    You really think they wanna simply cap us off at 7 billion? These people are sociopaths...of course theyre gonna dress the language up to make it more pallatable. THEY. DONT. CARE. ABOUT. US. The more dumb 16 year olds get knocked up the more indecent and pithy we look to these elitists. No man or woman should hold the fate of its own species in their hands when they themselves are no better. Look up operation paperclip and TELL me eugenics isnt an existential threat.

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