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    Quote Originally Posted by Spongebob View Post
    So nothing at all like contrails - and nothing resembling the mythical "chemtrail" you are pretending to believe in.

    You don`t believe a single word you are saying George. Why are you here?

    So Noble can pull you apart and make you look silly?
    Contrary to what you say. . . I do believe that an Intentional Aerial Injection Program is most likely to have been tested and deployed. . . . For many reasons. . . And for several potential goals and missions. . . .many of the reasons are what I expect from the DoD and the Congressional Industrial Military Complex . . . I know these people as well as anyone. . . I know their motivations, their capabilities and their proclivities . . .
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    The only thing you seem not to know is how to find and/or present any actual evidence that any of these things that have "most likely been tested and deployed" have actually been tested and deployed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lee h oswald View Post
    Yes. Thanks, I'm familiar with the quote.
    What do I think happened? Well, knowing how lack-lustre and behind the times the US military and their rather wealthy (and thirsty) 'brother-in-arms' contractors are in keeping on top of everyone else, then I think it was just brushed under the carpet, forgotten about. I think nothing was done because, y'know, there's no evidence to say anything was done apart from one bloke speaking out of turn and a load of freak weather for the last decade. It's a bit like saying that the seminal work, Weather as a Force Multiplier; Owning the Weather in 2025, by that great team of thinkers at the USAF, is evidence. It's obvious that it's just a wishlist for junior and over-excited student officers trying to make an impression. The fact that they say things like 'these developments will happen, they must' is simply youthful exuberance. I mean, come on George, why on earth would they bother with such a far-fetched scenario - it belongs in science fiction. What could possibly be gained from mucking about with the climate?

    Hope you enjoyed your golf!
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    Quote Originally Posted by George B View Post
    Contrary to what you say. . . I do believe that an Intentional Aerial Injection Program is most likely to have been tested and deployed. . . . For many reasons. . . And for several potential goals and missions. . . .many of the reasons are what I expect from the DoD and the Congressional Industrial Military Complex . . . I know these people as well as anyone. . . I know their motivations, their capabilities and their proclivities . . .
    No you don`t.

    You are full of it and you are not even good at hiding it.

    Your latest verbal diarrhoea demonstrates that clearly:


    "I do believe that

    is most likely to

    For many reasons. .

    And for several potential goals and missions.

    I know these people

    I know their motivations..."



    Blah, blah, blah...

    Lots of words Tony Blair - with zero substance (and don`t repeat the same tired bunk)

    You have been exposed over and over, you are a fraudulent, invented character George and we all see it.

    What are your "motivations" and "proclivities" George? (no need to refer to your chemtrail bunk)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeC View Post
    The only thing you seem not to know is how to find and/or present any actual evidence that any of these things that have "most likely been tested and deployed" have actually been tested and deployed.
    They were test 30 plus years ago using zinc cadmium sulfide . . . Altitude, prevailing winds, weather conditions, dispersal patterns, concentrations necessary, fall rates. . . you name it. . . Accomplished both in the US and UK. ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lee h oswald View Post
    Why don't you deal with one point at a time? I still haven't seen you back up your position on the Daily Mail and Fox revelations you brought to our attention as your evidence; of something I presume, of what, exactly? Or your assertion that the head of the IPCC is a chut train driver. Haven't seen a word on that either. Why not come back on that before you start telling other people what they're pretending? What's the Mail saying today?
    My points were left unanswered by you as I recall, when you were shown to be unreliable (as usual)

    I made you look a little "unbalanced" with your "information" and you are becoming a bit touchy?

    So answer me -


    What do you and George disagree on ?

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    And you witnessed them and knew about the people involved as you claim?? And they were from C-130's?

    Nice shifting the goalposts AGAIN. The existence of the spray programmes in the 1950's through early 1970's is not something that was "most likely" done - it WAS done. there is no doubt and no argument about it.

    Moreover those tests did not resemble contrails at all, which is what was being talked about.

    so to now claim that is what you are referring to is dishonest.

    no surprise there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spongebob View Post
    No you don`t.

    You are full of it and you are not even good at hiding it.

    Your latest verbal diarrhoea demonstrates that clearly:


    "I do believe that

    is most likely to

    For many reasons. .

    And for several potential goals and missions.

    I know these people

    I know their motivations..."



    Blah, blah, blah...

    Lots of words Tony Blair - with zero substance (and don`t repeat the same tired bunk)

    You have been exposed over and over, you are a fraudulent, invented character George and we all see it.

    What are your "motivations" and "proclivities" George? (no need to refer to your chemtrail bunk)

    I am dead serious. . . Ask Noble. . . I don't think like you. . . Thank goodness. . . The truth is more than facts, data, and the scientific method. . . It includes feelings, intuition, inference and common sense. . . I claim the entire spectrum of human experience and gnosis . . .a test tube and a laboratory is where I spent a good part of my adult life, but it is not the only place where reality or the truth is discovered. . . .
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    I knew it was religious!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeC
    I knew it was religious!!
    And what do you deduce that from . . . ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeC View Post
    And you witnessed them and knew about the people involved as you claim?? And they were from C-130's?Nice shifting the goalposts AGAIN. The existence of the spray programmes in the 1950's through early 1970's is not something that was "most likely" done - it WAS done. there is no doubt and no argument about it.Moreover those tests did not resemble contrails at all, which is what was being talked about.so to now claim that is what you are referring to is dishonest.no surprise there.
    Are you OK . . . ? I think you are not following a logical progression on the Thread . . . . . . 1) I said I knew what a C-130 was and had flown on several missions on them . . . 2) I also said I had witnessed spraying missions accomplished by C-130s, I did not say I was on any spraying mission . . . . 3) I also indicated there were missions in the US and UK which tested the dispersal of zinc cadmium sulfide over wide areas of both countries from aircraft 30 - 50 years ago . . . Which was basically a test of the effectiveness of exactly what CHEMTRAILs are alleged to do by many conspiracy theorists . . . This was explained as an activity to learn how chemical or biological agents could be used against the public by our enemies (like the Russians would be able to do this in 1960 over Detroit) and this information was with-held from the public until it was released by an angry congressional investigation in 1994 . . . so the authorities know how to release aerosols to get the widest and best saturation on a targeted area . . . this whole episode is very comforting. . . Thank You
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noble
    That isn't even CLOSE to representing my position. Rocking the boat...and being an ignorant fearmonger are two completely different things. Yes, I am well aware of the American Revolution. What does that have to do with scientific ignorance? I love how you believe you align yourself with Patriots, when you are actually aligning yourself with "witch hunters"....and traitors.
    Witch Hunters, Traitors, Fear Momgers. . . .pretty nasty . . So Hammer speaks his position on a conspiracy Forum with every other Thread dedicated to some type of DOOM . . .Wow! how inappropriate . . . Why don't you take some time and energy to attack the real professional Doom spreaders. . . Like the History Channel, Discovery Channel, Science Channel, National Geographic, various and asundary religious ministries. . . .please Noble you are way over the top!!!!!!
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    Ya got me George, how dare I point out that paranoid loons are posting ignorance as fact in an effort to spread fear and hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George B View Post
    I am dead serious. . . Ask Noble. . . I don't think like you. . . Thank goodness. . . The truth is more than facts, data, and the scientific method. . . It includes feelings, intuition, inference and common sense. . . I claim the entire spectrum of human experience and gnosis . . .a test tube and a laboratory is where I spent a good part of my adult life, but it is not the only place where reality or the truth is discovered. . . .
    Just because you don't think like others, doesn't mean you're right.


    Just because you 'believe" something to be true...doesn't mean it is.

    YOUR intuition, feelings...whatever mean NOTHING without the evidence to support your claims.

    My daughter uses her intuition and feelings to know unicorns/the tooth fairy/Santa clause exist. She has evidence and she uses common sense..(The tooth was under the pillow...now there is money...tooth fairy is real).

    Sorry, all you have is a "feeling". Which means nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George B View Post
    I love satire. . LoL . . . Do you think satire is a play on the writer Sartre's name . . . another Existentialist. . . I don't think so, it is derived from Latin, but just a thought. . . .
    Rousseau and Camus for me, I'm not really a Sartreist! But he did say one thing quite apposite...L'Enfer, c'est les autres....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noble


    Originally Posted by George B
    I am dead serious. . . Ask Noble. . . I don't think like you. . . Thank goodness. . . The truth is more than facts, data, and the scientific method. . . It includes feelings, intuition, inference and common sense. . . I claim the entire spectrum of human experience and gnosis . . .a test tube and a laboratory is where I spent a good part of my adult life, but it is not the only place where reality or the truth is discovered. . . .
    Just because you don't think like others, doesn't mean you're right.


    Just because you 'believe" something to be true...doesn't mean it is.

    YOUR intuition, feelings...whatever mean NOTHING without the evidence to support your claims.

    My daughter uses her intuition and feelings to know unicorns/the tooth fairy/Santa clause exist. She has evidence and she uses common sense..(The tooth was under the pillow...now there is money...tooth fairy is real).

    Sorry, all you have is a "feeling". Which means nothing.
    Noble . . .I am surprised you allow your daughter to engage in fantasy. . . if you are not careful she will turn out just like me. . . .LoL!!!!

    I am through here. . . I have better things to do my life like . . . doing my Income Tax and taking out the garbage. . . .you really need to stay at contrail science. . . . they think just like you and they obviously love you . . .and as I said you and they will all be dead three days before you have enough empirical evidence to prove to yourselves you are indeed dead. I took your challenge and stayed way too long . . . Wanted to make sure I gave it the old college try. . . My experience here did convince me of one thing. . . I am now even more sure I am on the correct path, than when I first got here. . . I thank you all for that. . . .farewell . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noble1965 View Post
    Just because you don't think like others, doesn't mean you're right.


    Just because you 'believe" something to be true...doesn't mean it is.

    YOUR intuition, feelings...whatever mean NOTHING without the evidence to support your claims.

    My daughter uses her intuition and feelings to know unicorns/the tooth fairy/Santa clause exist. She has evidence and she uses common sense..(The tooth was under the pillow...now there is money...tooth fairy is real).

    Sorry, all you have is a "feeling". Which means nothing.
    How interesting.

    Just because you don't think like others, doesn't mean you're right.
    Call me old-fashioned, but I don't recall George claiming to be right. Please could you indicate where that claim is?

    Just because you 'believe" something to be true...doesn't mean it is.
    Mind over matter? How about: Just because you 'believe" something to be true...doesn't mean it isn't

    YOUR intuition, feelings...whatever mean NOTHING without the evidence to support your claims.
    ANYONE'S intuition, feelings...whatever, mean something which is immeasurable and critical to our survival and ability to flourish.
    Intuition is critical to survival, isn't it? So intuition means quite a lot, straight away. What evidence, specifically, do you want?

    My daughter uses her intuition and feelings to know unicorns/the tooth fairy/Santa clause exist. She has evidence and she uses common sense..(The tooth was under the pillow...now there is money...tooth fairy is real).
    Let's be honest: you lied to her and she trusts you. She believes in those things because you (and everyone else) lied and told her they were true. And it just goes to show how malleable human beings are; how they believe in those they need to trust for their own well-being.

    Sorry, all you have is a "feeling". Which means nothing.
    I refer you to point 3 above. And anyway, not that George can't look after himself perfectly well, but where did he ever say that he relied upon his intuition alone? I can't seem to find that bit - would you point me to it please, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lee
    Rousseau and Camus for me, I'm not really a Sartreist! But he did say one thing quite apposite...L'Enfer, c'est les autres....
    LoL, Yes, lee. . . Hell is being forever locked in a room with the group of participants here, forever arguing the merits of the scientific method and the lack of hard evidence that they are indeed in HELL!!!! Best to you lee. . . It was nice getting to know there are other rational people. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by George B View Post
    LoL, Yes, lee. . . Hell is being forever being locked in a room with the group of participants here, forever arguing the merits of the scientific method and the lack of hard evidence that they are indeed in HELL!!!! Best to you lee. . . It was nice getting to know there are other rational people. . .
    Likewise, and the very best to you George - At risk of beginning to sound like a quoter...here's my favourite Camus for you, in english as it retains its elegance: In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer.

    a bientot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by George B View Post

    Noble . . .I am surprised you allow your daughter to engage in fantasy. . . if you are not careful she will turn out just like me. . . .LoL!!!!

    I am through here. . . I have better things to do my life like . . . doing my Income Tax and taking out the garbage. . . .you really need to stay at contrail science. . . . they think just like you and they obviously love you . . .and as I said you and they will all be dead three days before you have enough empirical evidence to proved to yourselves you are indeed dead. I took your challenge and stayed way too long . . . Wanted to make sure I gave it the old college try. . . My experience here did convince me of one thing. . . I am now even more sure I am on the correct path, than when I first got here. . . I thank you all for that. . . .farewell . . .
    yeah, like you have anything better to do with your life than to complain about something that there is absolutely no evidence to support it's existence....and play golf. I can't decide which hobby is more useless.

    And the fact that others pointing out that you have no evidence, convinces you further about your delusion, is evidence of mental illness.

    Seek help

    I'm being polite, I care about your mental health.

    Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lee h oswald View Post
    How interesting.



    Call me old-fashioned, but I don't recall George claiming to be right. Please could you indicate where that claim is?


    As you say, it was implied...DUH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lee h oswald View Post
    Likewise, and the very best to you George - At risk of beginning to sound like a quoter...here's my favourite Camus for you, in english as it retains its elegance: In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer.

    a bientot!
    See you soon as well . . . Au revoir !!!
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    To avoid confusion: George had originally written "sure I am right", which lee quoted, and then George edited it to "sure I am on the correct path", and then lee deleted his post with the quote, Noble's comment about George thinking he was right preceded all this, but lee's challenge to that might have been viewed in a different light if the edited comment remained.

    Hmm, I suppose that's not actually avoiding confusion. Just, er, more comprehensive.

    And seeing as everyone has said their goodbyes. I'll close this thread.
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