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    Debunked: The Sky Was Bluer

    People who think that there is something wrong with the world sometimes point to the sky and say it's different. It was bluer a decade ago, and certainly bluer when they were children.

    Was it bluer? Probably not. Probably what they have is simply a memory of bluer skies, a memory that natuarally gets more intense with age, because that's what memories of color do. Look at the research:

    http://www.opticsinfobase.org/josa/a...i=josa-50-1-73

    The memory colors of ten familiar, naturally occurring objects have been determined. Fifty observers chose their memory colors from an array of 931 Munsell color chips. The variability of the judgments is shown and their means are compared with the average chromaticities of the corresponding natural objects. The ten mean memory colors were all significantly different from the natural colors. Each memory color tended to be more characteristic of the dominant chromatic attribute of the object in question; grass was more green, bricks more red, etc. In most cases, saturation and lightness increased in memory.
    And sky was more blue in your recollection. The colors in your memory tend to be brighter and more colorful than they are in reality, or in the photos you take.



    30 or 40 years ago our color memories were magnified by one of the the most popular film around at that time: Kodachrome. The way the film responded to colors gave them an overly saturated look. Blues looked bluer. But we did not mind, because that's how we remembered them. For us older folk, these are the holidays, the vacations of our youth.



    (image source: http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeo...hrome_tourism/)

    But over time the Kodachrome reinforces our color memory, and we start to think that indeed everything was more colorful in our childhood. The vibrance of our past increases with the passing of time. The present naturally seems pale in comparison.
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    clearly untrue - because chemtrails make skies bluer



    Our intermittent so-called "blue sky" that millions of us have seen these past six months is, in fact, NOT a return to our real, blue, pre-Chemtrails sky that we had before this deliberately created nightmare began. This is another illusion.

    According to Dr. Castle, this "new color blue is due to the chemical compounds Manganese di-Bromo di-Fluoro-Benzidine (salts). They are added to Chemtrails so that light is not reflected; but, rather, these compounds refract both light and dark. Therefore, it works the atmosphere into what is called 'a coherent phase fiber optics refraction' in a crystalline (the salts) blue material. So, the sky 'looks' blue; but actually it only has the refracted color of whatever color (bright or dark) is above it."

    Dr. Castle told me yesterday, "the color is based on ultramarine blue/violet that has been micronized into aerosolized particulates and deployed into the open atmosphere." He notes: "This aerosol has 500 times more manganese and a huge level of a toxic dibromo-flouro-benzene compounds. This helps the aerosols stay aloft for longer periods of time, unlike the heavier barium and aluminum. This also has been tested; and has higher levels of arsenic and gallium, both of which have been independently tested by Arizona Skywatch and others."
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    They are added to Chemtrails so that light is not reflected; but, rather, these compounds refract both light and dark.
    What are the physics describing refraction of "dark"? Is dark not the absence of light? If the atmosphere used to reflect light, rather than refract it, was there perpetual darkness on Earth at the time? Is this where god stepped in and said "let there be light"? Didn't god really dig the light and determine it was good? So did god create chemtrails to bestow light upon the Earth in order for humans to quake before his image? If god created chemtrails to shed light upon the darkness...isn't that good?

    So many questions...
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    Cloud in that second photo looks awfully suspicious....

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnonymousATCO View Post
    Cloud in that second photo looks awfully suspicious....
    One reason why I picked it I don't know the date on the photo, but probably from the 1950s. I don't think it's a contrail though.

    I have an orb in the first photo too.

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    Looks more like that hidden planet Mick....... Nibiru?

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    Following on from Mick's memory comments, everyone probably remembers the famous James Bond scene in
    "Dr No" (in fact one of the most famous sequences in cinema history) when Ursula Andress first emerges from the sea in a bikini in the Caribbean.

    Who can forget the glorious blue Caribbean sky, sun-drenched beach , sun sparkling water and radiant Usula dripping wet in front of an ogling Sean Connery?

    I'm pretty sure that's how most folks remember that scene, and it was mimicked by Halle Berry in "Casino Royale".

    But go check an old copy of the film in any format and check if it matches the popular memory of the scene. The reality is far different.
    That's what memory is like and why it's so unreliable.

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    The more serious question is - what is the woman doing to the man standing?

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    "I can assure you my intentions are strictly honorable".

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3lAjyUUS1g

    I've watched that scene about a dozen times in a row now still trying to catch a glimpse of the sky but all I seem to notice are those big Conchs of hers.

    But cereally. I think most of those people who say all they remember are clear blue cloudless skies simply weren't paying much attention to the sky until recently. I've always been fascinated by weather and clouds so I've been paying attention to the sky for as long as I can remember. I recall hazy summer days, storm clouds, contrails...and I also remember perfectly clear blue skies all day were the exception rather than the norm not only growing up in Indiana but anywhere I've lived or visited. In fact, cloudless blue skies are rather boring, imho. Then again I am a certified member (#27984) of the cloud appreciation society.

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    The question I always ask these guys when they talk about the blue skies is why is it that for the last several decades Navy ships are painted "Haze Grey" instead of sky blue?

    For some reason I never get an answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregMc View Post
    Following on from Mick's memory comments, everyone probably remembers the famous James Bond scene in
    "Dr No" (in fact one of the most famous sequences in cinema history) when Ursula Andress first emerges from the sea in a bikini in the Caribbean.

    Who can forget the glorious blue Caribbean sky, sun-drenched beach , sun sparkling water and radiant Usula dripping wet in front of an ogling Sean Connery?

    I'm pretty sure that's how most folks remember that scene, and it was mimicked by Halle Berry in "Casino Royale".

    But go check an old copy of the film in any format and check if it matches the popular memory of the scene. The reality is far different.
    That's what memory is like and why it's so unreliable.
    Here's the DVD version, and a paler version. I suspect the paler version is closer to reality that day.



    Of course, in both versions the sky is not especially blue, and nor is the sea.

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    The photo on her wiki page is blue-er.
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    There ends up being a vast range of color reproductions of various things. This web site takes all the reproductions of a particular image it can find, then than creates a new image with various segments from the different reproductions

    http://hint.fm/reproduction/

    What is the "real" color?



    Color perception can be greatly influenced by context. Consider these illusions.

    http://www.echalk.co.uk/amusements/O...erception.html

    and

    http://www.echalk.co.uk/amusements/O...rception2.html

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