Debunked: Obamacare RFID Chip Implant Law Hoax

[Pete Tar]

[Admin: the following is the original post, but I've added the above debunking for conciseness]

hi, need some of this community's skills for a facebook duel.

summary;

• ‎2013 could be a hell of a year
  
  666 Micro Chip Implant Coming March 23, 2013
  www.youtube.comThe New Health Care (Obamacare) law H.R. 3590 Also HR 4872 requires all US citizens to have the RIFD implanted http://www.paulbegleyprophecy.com/ Perry Stone ...
  
  
  
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      Roger Corben It was just announced on the late news that they will soon be taking DNA from every newborn in Australia, just for the REcordsWednesday at 8:56pm · Like · 3
      
      
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      Eliza Evans thats fucked up!!!!!!Wednesday at 8:56pm · Like · 2
      
      
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      Floyd Davis Obama care ... ... the law has already been passed evey citizen must take the chip ... the technology already exists ... it is also GPSWednesday at 9:03pm · Like
      
      
    • Pete Tar http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/microchip.aspsnopes.com: Health Care Reform Legislation Requires Microchip Implantation?
      www.snopes.com‎'Obamacare' health care reform legislation requires that everyone be implanted with microchips?
      
      
      
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      Kel Inala T That's fucked up, who voted that crap in... Bet they had no idea what they were voting for when they elected him, sneaky politiciansWednesday at 9:47pm · Like
      
      
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      James William Moore wow, its all happening NOWWednesday at 10:36pm · Like
      
      
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      Steven Brown Thats really fucked up!Yesterday at 8:05am · Like
      
      
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      Lukas Hopkini http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/microchip.asp23 hours ago · Like
      
      
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      Floyd Davis Thanks Luke, never read the bill myself, bloody christians, I wish they'd research their stuff better. I don't think it's far off but, what with the 600 Fema camps, emergency mashial law acts, the blatant hijacking of natural systems; the w...See More
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      Floyd Davis http://cryandhowl.com/2012/03/21/oba...-for-everyone/Obamacare: Mandatory RFID Chip Requirement For Everyone
      cryandhowl.comI ran across the following story today and thought my readers (all three of you)...See More
      
      
      
      
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      Floyd Davis maybe the debunkers are just as bad20 hours ago · Like
      
      
    • Pete Tar yeah, facts and reading comprehension are for morons. self-congratulatory moral outrage feels so much better, and you can look down on all the sheeple and feel sorry and superior to them at the same time, congratulating yourselves for being 'truth' warriors opposed to the lies of science and verifiable reality. anyone who tells you otherwise is part of the plot and just confirms how much of a threat to the evil illuminatus NWO you really are.
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      Floyd Davis http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_d...p?q=1331216728ANOTHER HIDDEN SECRET IN OBAMACARE 'RFID CHIP IMPLANTS' >> Four Winds 10 - Truth Winds
      www.fourwinds10.netFW 3/8/12January 22, 2011NOTE: This may be old news to some, but few people are aware of this critical move by the Darkside for total control. ---PHB**************And now we come to it. On Sunday Marc...read more
      
      
      
      
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      Floyd Davis I don't believe you're studied this thing either Pete.40 minutes ago · Like
      
      
    • Pete Tar okay, i thank you for your information,
      and i'll accept that challenge;
      and where any suspicion of less-than-benevolent
      (i'm NOT saying i think government does all things for only benevolent,
      it's-for-your-own-good purposes),
      malicious, Machiavellian or nefarious intent is shown to be founded on reasonable evidence, i will humbly concede a 'touche good brother', and either quaver in fear at all-powerful un-contestable evil, or join the resistance.
      but where it is shown to be based on obvious misenterpretation, logical fallacies, or forcing cherry-picked facts to fit a preconceived story of an all-powerful evil plot, possibly involving alien intervention, i will call 'shenanigans' upon you.
      (not that i think alien intervention in a human drama of planetary control is impossible, just not logically supportable, and given the human ability to weave incredible stories of imagination and wonder in order to make sense amidst the chaos of an unimaginably large and chaotic universe, that is more likely the culprit. what was my point again?)9 minutes ago · Like
      
      

so, following that 'fourwinds' link, i get this....

January 22, 2011
NOTE: This may be old news to some, but few people are aware of this critical move by the Darkside for total control. ---PHB
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And now we come to it. On Sunday March 21, 2010 the Senate Healthcare bill HR3200 was passed and signed into law the following Tuesday. Like I said before, there are a legion of horrible and just plain evil aspects to this bill and I’m sure you’ve heard a lot them by now. I don’t want to discount them but what cannot be missed here is this new law now opens a prophetic door on a magnitude not seen since the reformation of Israel.
This new law requires an RFID chip implanted in all of us. This chip will not only contain your personal information with tracking capability but it will also be linked to your bank account. And get this, Page 1004 of the new law (dictating the timing of this chip), reads, and I quote: "Not later than 36 months after the date of the enactment". It is now the law of the land that by March 23^rd2013 we will all be required to have an RFID chip underneath our skin and this chip will be link to our bank accounts as well as have our personal records and tracking capability built into it.
In just a minute I’m going to show you the black and white of the law itself and you can see it with your own eyes and wonder why an event of this magnitude which is nothing less than seismic in nature is met with little more than silence in the Christian community.
Is it now starting to dawn on you just where exactly we are in prophecy? I’ll ask that question again in a minute and follow up on it, but now I want to show you the law itself. I’ve downloaded a PDF copy of HR3200 from the government's website so what I’m about to show you is from the bill itself its nothing that I’ve written. You can access it all and see it all for yourself straight from the source itself.
H.R. 3200 section 2521, Pg. 1001, paragraph 1.
The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that— ‘‘is or has been used in or on a patient; ‘‘and is— ‘‘a class III device; or ‘‘a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining.”
What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? As you saw earlier, it is the device approved by the FDA in 2004.
Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act:
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Medical...ulationandGuid...



i don't really get how this is supposed to refute the snopes article, which is dated more recently? can someone point it out to me?

[Pete Tar]

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• Pete Tar hmm, well how is the snopes article superseded by the fourwinds one? note the snopes article is dated thiss year.38 minutes ago · Like
  
  
  
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  Floyd Davis they're been wanting to do this thing for a long time, it's obviously getting closer, now they've got the technology. I don't think money has any real value, they printed too much of the stuff. Once based on the amount of gold a country held, now increases exponentially completely baseless. A cashless currency system would tighten up the monetary system very quickly! You don't think this is happening but this is the new smart world we are entering, smart money, smart clouds, smart cities, etc Try driving around Sydney without a smart tag. I would rather a world returning to nature but instead we are entering a world of digital domination
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• Pete Tar yeah well, i would agree with the gist of your rhetoric,
  but how does that translate into something that is actually happening, specifically, with this bill?
  that is the issue at hand.
  i commend your general distrust, it is a good default position to take.
  and microchipping the population probably would make sense to a certain kind of thinking.
  and should be opposed i reckon.
  but,
  is it real, or speculation? what is really gained by such an objective?
  is the (fear) that this is the 'real' intent of this legislation, justified?
  planting the suspicion of fear as to the motives could in itself be part of someone's agenda.
  the main thing to consider is whether the actual legislation IS suggesting this or not, for a start.
  

[Unregistered]

What you aren't understanding is this. The law is written and anyone how knows about the law knows that you cant take it for what it says but you must take it for what it doesn't say. If an implants are OK under law, Why wouldn't you think that they would in the future implant a tracking chip in each one of us. I totally believe this bill helps accelerate the liberal socialist agenda. If you are so naive to trust what the bill says because you trust politicians, think about all the times they have said one thing and did another. Remember, there are people who are in this world who don't believe human life is divine. Even Bill Maher said "Whats so special about life, Dogs can do it" That elitest idea is running rampant among them. So to the people who address us as Sheeple you may want to reflect on yourself and realize that trusting the government is not the answer but trust in the individual who you can put a face and a soul to. The government is not some divine entity who you are supposed to rely on but is laws written. Look up Denver international airport, the georgia guidestones. Thats just 2 examples that there is an agenda that you arent being told about. Dont be fooled! Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

[Pete Tar]

... Remember, there are people who are in this world who don't believe human life is divine. Even Bill Maher said "Whats so special about life, Dogs can do it" That elitest idea is running rampant among them....

What's 'elitist' is believing human life IS divine (whatever the hell that means), and somehow set apart from the rest of the life on the planet. Even a dog, given the concept, would argue that it's life is 'divine' - it certaintly means a lot to it. Why does life have to be divine, to have an extra, super-natural appellation, to be considered worthy of respect? That attitude in itself is pretty weird and elitist.
ALL life is amazing and worth respecting. Dogs probably lead much more fulfilled lives than humans anyway. They certaintly aren't troubled by any imaginary notions of what happens to their soul when they die, and are probably much better for it (I can't prove they aren't troubled by thoughts of life-after death though).

"I feel that your are so convinced that you are right that your blind to the fact that there is an agenda behind all of this."

Sorry but, ditto. You are convinced the apocalyptic interpretation of revelations is going to usher in your rapture that you see 'more' than is warranted.

"... and this is just a footprint of many in the march of socialism"

Wasn't Jesus an originator of what many demonise as socialism these days? - healing the sick and feeding the hungry free of charge is about as socialist as you can get.



"x-tians"...
Is this a new troll term meant to irritate christians? I know they consider the shortening of 'x-mas' to be some kind of satanic plot to purge christ from the world, so one can only imagine this annoys them further. Sometimes though, they kind of deserve it.

[Mick]

"x-tians"...
Is this a new troll term meant to irritate christians? I know they consider the shortening of 'x-mas' to be some kind of satanic plot to purge christ from the world, so one can only imagine this annoys them further. Sometimes though, they kind of deserve it.

It's an OLD abbreviation. I suspect though it's kind of come full circle, with the anti "Xmas" crowd who have no understanding of the old use of the term. And hence some people like to use the "X" abbreviation as and ironic/goading manner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmas

Content from external source:

The word "Christ" and its compounds, including "Christmas", have been abbreviated in English for at least the past 1,000 years, long before the modern "Xmas" was commonly used. "Christ" was often written as "XP" or "Xt"; there are references in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle as far back as AD 1021. This X and P arose as the uppercase forms of the Greek letters χ and ρ used in ancient abbreviations for Χριστος (Greek for "Christ"),^[2] and are still widely seen in manyEastern Orthodox icons depicting Jesus Christ. The labarum, an amalgamation of the two Greek letters rendered as ☧, is a symbol often used to represent Christ in Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox Christian Churches.^[18]The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) and the OED Supplement have cited usages of "X-" or "Xp-" for "Christ-" as early as 1485. The terms "Xpian" and "Xtian" have also been used for "Christian". The dictionary further cites usage of "Xtianity" for "Christianity" from 1634.^[2] According to Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage, most of the evidence for these words comes from "educated Englishmen who knew their Greek".^[11]
In ancient Christian art, χ and χρ are abbreviations for Christ's name.^[19] In many manuscripts of the New Testament and icons, Χ is an abbreviation for Χριστος^{[citation needed]}, as is XC (the first and last letters in Greek, using the lunatesigma);^[20] compare IC for Jesus in Greek.

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[Unregistered]

Mickc, you are right. It does not say you, have to get one at the time. But, i know for a fact there is something fishy going on in that white house. That bill sets up rfid chips to be mandated, that just is not the law at this time. I know for a fact, that taking money out of somebody's bank account without their permission is unconstitutional. That bill needs, to be repealed. As far as the rfid chip being 'the mark' it is possible. Because, without the chip in a world where your whole life is devoted to it. Would be a form of you worshiping it. As you need it to survive. Or live hence you are more or less worshiping it. I am no conspiracy theorist so i can see that it being mandated seems not to be the case at the moment. But, i think what arron russu said proves to be more true to this day. Everything he said has or is in the progress of happening. Witch leads me to jump to one conclusion one day, people will demand these chips to be put in them. Then backed by this registry, you are tracked. Or maybe not this bill is illogical and sounds like 100% bullshit. The law should be logically, sound. So we can understand our rights at least.

[cheeple]

Wasn't Jesus an originator of what many demonise as socialism these days? - healing the sick and feeding the hungry free of charge is about as socialist as you can get.

No guy, thats called Charity, it's only Socialism when a government steals by force or threat of force and redistributes it.

[aka]

do you think we're in the end times

[MikeC]

It is hard to see what else you can do - you've seen Snopes, you've told them that HR3200 did not get passed (by way of referencing Snopes) - perhaps make that more obvious??

[Pete Tar]

...perhaps make that more obvious??

i wrote the relevent bits out for him.


guess it wasn't much of a duel, red wine made my Battle Against Ignorance (TM) seem much more heroic than it really was.

[Unregistered]

what if the hoax is the article that says it is not so :P. is like the moon hoax debunkers, all the information they use, is more easily debunkable by all the absurd obserbable anomalies than the intrincate explanation nasa uses, so I guess will have to wait and see what happens...

[hellostupid]

what if the hoax is the article that says it is not so :P. is like the moon hoax debunkers, all the information they use, is more easily debunkable by all the absurd obserbable anomalies than the intrincate explanation nasa uses, so I guess will have to wait and see what happens...

LOL, yeah, that's a good one, moon landing hoax by NASA, XD, ever seen the episode of MythBusters where they proved the conspiracy theorists wrong about the moon landing, and hey, if you need first hand proof just emulate their experiments and get the same results.

[BobS]

"My mind is made up! Don't confuse me with the facts!"

Debates work best when they're not debates. Sneak up on them. Otherwise they'll just dig deeper into the hole they're already in.

Rather than talk about this being a "law" that "everyone" will be "forced" to get "implanted," point out that any red-blooded American would never consent to a law like this, nor would it pass in Congress. And all your reps and senators know that. There would be a huge reaction to any such law. Look at the insanity that just the rumor has created.

Point out that all you're trying to do is get the facts straight. Ask for THEIR help in reading the law and interpreting where it says it's mandatory for everyone.

[Mick]

It doesn't say that everyone has to have an implanted device. That's really the key point - not if it passed or not.

It simply establishes a registry. It's mostly for stuff like pacemakers.

[Unregistered]

It doesn't say that everyone has to have an implanted device. That's really the key point - not if it passed or not.

It simply establishes a registry. It's mostly for stuff like pacemakers.

honestly even if it starts off being non compulsory it will be much easier for leadership to change the legislation once the law has been passed. This does not mean it will change to being compulsory, but it is far more likely.

[Unregistered]

It doesn't say that everyone has to have an implanted device. That's really the key point - not if it passed or not.

It simply establishes a registry. It's mostly for stuff like pacemakers.

You are deceived into thinking it is a hoax. Read the bible young man.

[Mick]

There's a hoax going around that the health care reform act HR3200 (The Affordable Care Act, aka "Obamacare") requires everyone to get a chip implanted in their body.

The bottom line is:

• The proposed law did not require anyone to get anything implanted
• It just created a national registry of a huge of range of medical devices from pacemakers to dental implants
• The intent of the registry was to collect statistics on how safe and effective the devices are
• HR3200 is not the bill that became law. Nor is HR 3962, which only passed the House. The "Obamacare" law is HR 3590, passed as Public Law 111-148, which does not have the registry.

An implantable RFID chip is just one example of a class II implantable medical device. Others include:
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1681045-overview

• percutaneous catheters
• vascular graft prostheses
• bone-conduction hearing aids
• tympanostomy tubes
• gastrointestinal tubes
• implantable staples
• long-term intravascular catheters
• intracranial pressure monitor devices
• peripheral nerve stimulators for pain relief
• eye sphere implants
• intramedullary fixation rods
• joint prostheses

Here's the original bill (which did not ever become law):

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...11hr3200ih.pdf

And here's what it says:

SEC. 2521. NATIONAL MEDICAL DEVICE REGISTRY.
[...]
‘‘(g)(1) The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that—

‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and

‘‘(B) is—

‘‘(i) a class III device; or

‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining

There's a little more about administrative things, but the above is the entirety of what the conspiracy promoters base their theory on. They get away with it in part because the language of the bill is rather complex and difficult to read, so they can basically make up whatever interpretation they like, and many of their readers will be fooled.

They then build upon this by claiming that a Class II device is a

"implantable radiofrequency transponder system for patient identification and health information."

When actually the three classes of medical devices have nothing to do with what the devices are, but are to do with how much they are regulated to ensure safety. For example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical...#United_States

Examples of Class III devices include implantable pacemaker, pulse generators, HIV diagnostic tests, automated external defibrillators, and endosseous implants.

Examples of Class II devices include powered wheelchairs, infusion pumps, and surgical drapes.

Examples of Class I devices include elastic bandages, examination gloves, and hand-held surgical instruments.

So the law simply creates a registry for this HUGE range of different medical devices.

Implantable RFID chips would be covered under the law, but that's simply because they are one of thousands of devices that are classified as Type III or Type II implantable.

It's not a law, and even if it was, it no more mandates you get a chip implanted than it mandates you get a hip replacement.


This has also been quite well debunked over on Snopes:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/microchip.asp

[Mick]

Unfortunately when an explanation is a little difficult to understand, then people tend to got for the simpler "it's a conspiracy" theory.

Understanding some of the debunking of the moon landing hoax theory does require a little science, and unfortunately here understanding the Obamacare RFID debunking dues require a bit of effort in reading the actual bill.

[Mick]

The devices listed are all kinds of devices, not just implantable ones. The implantable devices make up a small segment to the devices to be registered. The devices are Class III devices, and anything in Class II that is implantable. Again this covers:

Content from external source:

Class III devices are usually those that support or sustain human life, are of substantial importance in preventing impairment of human health, or which present a potential, unreasonable risk of illness or injury.^[9] Examples of Class III devices which currently require a premarket notification include implantable pacemaker, pulse generators, HIV diagnostic tests, automated external defibrillators, and endosseous implants.

Devices in Class II are held to a higher level of assurance than Class I devices, and are designed to perform as indicated without causing injury or harm to patient or user. Examples of Class II devices include powered wheelchairs, infusion pumps, and surgical drapes.

The reason for the registry is listed in the bill:

Content from external source:

to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device

That means the registry is to make it possible to figure out how safe the devices are, and how well they work. It's very much a good thing.

[ProdigalSon7]

Thanks for your post. I recently was researching on this and I'm glad I found something that is challenging the claim of this mandatory RFID implantation under the new health care bill. I have a hypothetical for you and all readers. Let's say there is a nuclear fallout, Yellowstone erupts, solar flares penetrate into the earth, an asteroid crashes into the planet, tectonic plates twist and churn causing magnitude 20 earthquakes and tsunamis that are 100 times bigger Katrina, or a new deadly epidemic sweeps through the land...lets say some unimaginable colossal catastrophic event(s) plague the USA and the world. Do you think under with the wording of this bill, that for example, the VeriChip, the only FDA-approved human-implantable microchip[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VeriChip], which they (the FDA) have classified as a Device II [http://www.scribd.com/doc/22533693/F...Device-12Oct04] would be a logical choice of device to be used by the government under the healthcare bill for registering,tracking, monitoring, prescribing et al of the health services that they'd want to so desperately offer to the millions of people that would have been affected and in dire need of aid? Would you not CHOOSE to accept this verichip if it was a requirement for you to receive medical aid, maybe a vaccine to fatal epidemic, a blood transfusion or a medical operation that would save your life? Would you not CHOOSE to accept this verichip if it was mandatory in order for you to receive aid in food and water when a catastrophic event might have cut off public food/water supply? Would you not CHOOSE to accept this verichip if it was condition on which you could be given shelter in a safe zone after a nuclear fallout? Do you think millions of others would CHOOSE to accept this verichip if they believed that their lives depended on it?

Thanks again.

[Mick]

Do you think millions of others would CHOOSE to accept this verichip if they believed that their lives depended on it?

I think people would choose just about anything if they believed their lives depended on it. They would choose to have 666 tattooed on their foreheads if they believed their lives depended on it. So that's rather a rhetorical question.

[ProdigalSon7]

You are partially correct in that my question is a rhetorical one when asking about the choice of that the masses will take. But as you can see in my post, I was asking you personally as well and their isn't any rhetorical element in that. So what would you do?

The point I'm trying to make is that yes their isn't a direct mandate for RFID Chip Implantation under "Obamacare" right now but that doesn't really matter. What matters is that all the elements required for it to BECOME a mandate/requirement/condition for receive care and support are in place. All that is left is the "perfect storm". The thing I wish we would all consider though is this; Right now if there was a mandate for RFID Chip Implantation under the healthcare bill, we would be outraged. We would consider it a breach of our liberty and freedom. We would think it to be some kind of evil government control tactic. We would think of it as being something sinister, something wrong for whatever reasons. We would believe it to be immoral and the most of us would reject it and say to hell it then. We would take whatever other options that were available. Now if that "perfect storm" ever came, would the cost of our mortal lives mean more to us than then the cost of our integrity? Would we really want life under the complete control of entities that we don't today trust instead of whatever other choice we might have, be it going it on our own or death? Would we really choice to save our mortal lives at the expense of losing our souls? Something to think about.

And again I hope Admin will answer the questions I posted for himself as an individual. Thanks.

[Unregistered]

I think people would choose just about anything if they believed their lives depended on it. They would choose to have 666 tattooed on their foreheads if they believed their lives depended on it. So that's rather a rhetorical question.

Sorry thats where you have it wrong. I dont believe most of us would tattoo 666 on our forehead to save our lives. As a christian that would be considered "the mark of the beast" And i can guarantee that Christians wouldn't. Guess what . I know i'm going to die one day and I will gladly die before I put 666 on my head. I feel that your are so convinced that you are right that your blind to the fact that there is an agenda behind all of this. I suggest instead of playing word games with this and trying to debunk the idea that one day we will be forced to take the chip understand that there is something bigger going on and this is just a footprint of many in the march of socialism

[cheeple]

Thanks for your post. I recently was researching on this and I'm glad I found something that is challenging the claim of this mandatory RFID implantation under the new health care bill. I have a hypothetical for you and all readers. Let's say there is a nuclear fallout, Yellowstone erupts, solar flares penetrate into the earth, an asteroid crashes into the planet, tectonic plates twist and churn causing magnitude 20 earthquakes and tsunamis that are 100 times bigger Katrina, or a new deadly epidemic sweeps through the land...lets say some unimaginable colossal catastrophic event(s) plague the USA and the world. Do you think under with the wording of this bill, that for example, the VeriChip, the only FDA-approved human-implantable microchip[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VeriChip], which they (the FDA) have classified as a Device II [http://www.scribd.com/doc/22533693/F...Device-12Oct04] would be a logical choice of device to be used by the government under the healthcare bill for registering,tracking, monitoring, prescribing et al of the health services that they'd want to so desperately offer to the millions of people that would have been affected and in dire need of aid? Would you not CHOOSE to accept this verichip if it was a requirement for you to receive medical aid, maybe a vaccine to fatal epidemic, a blood transfusion or a medical operation that would save your life? Would you not CHOOSE to accept this verichip if it was mandatory in order for you to receive aid in food and water when a catastrophic event might have cut off public food/water supply? Would you not CHOOSE to accept this verichip if it was condition on which you could be given shelter in a safe zone after a nuclear fallout? Do you think millions of others would CHOOSE to accept this verichip if they believed that their lives depended on it?

Thanks again.

That was very disneyland of you, the chip is for your own good, what if we had an earthquake..............lol

I do have a theory on how the chip will be introduced, step 1 is already accomplished by chipping our pets, what if they get lost?

step 2 might be early release of non-violent criminals by choice, most americans will have no problem with that.

step 3 might be chipping all registered sex offenders, most americans will not have a problem with that.

step 4 might be chipping all prisoners, most americans will have no problem with that.

step 5 might be chipping anyone on any type of aid - food stamps, social security, etc in the name of fraud protection, most americans will view it as a good thing.

step 6 might be chipping all newborns with all medical information such as blood type, allergies, name etc. in the name of safety incase that baby gets hurt or possibly kidnapped, still most Americans will view it as a good idea.

step 7 might be compulsory for the Military it could hold the same thing medical information, and personal info since soldiers in battle often have limbs and other distinguishing features damaged in battle, still most Americans can see the "logic" behind it.

By this time such a large percentage of society is chipped it will seem only "logical" for the rest of the nation to be chipped or "opt out". Still most americans will be told it's not mandatory it's not as bad as your making it out to be, it's actually a good thing, no more cash so we can stop the drug dealers from making money. By this time most of the atheistic community will have willingly adopted this new cashless society and will be ready to move on to a more "safer" and utopian America, there is only on people will refuse it to the death, Christians, and will be hated for holding back the "new age" America. Just how I picture it happening, always incremental and being proposed as a good thing, a step in the right direction, safer, convenient, and conformist.

[Unregistered]

To all you people who are so afraid of the "mark of the beast" or in this case the mandatory RFID chip implant, why are you worrying so much?

If your afraid of being marked and the government having information on you, check your wallet, do you have an ID? GAMEOVER your already marked ( it even has a bar code on it... lol )
Do you own a bank account?
Do you have a Social Security Number? Than you are already a number in some database..
Have you received medical care?
There are all ways for the government to track you if you choose to live within there boundaries, I guess you can move to a third world country to escape your fear.
I say stop being scared of this end of the world bullshit. All its going to do is cause you pain and anxiety.
Live happy and worry free

[Unregistered]

You are pretty close, I did some research years ago and found a company was working on a chip for pets,
so it would start with something like pet tracker, then child tracker, also I found that the us airforce had a patent too, so your comments make a lot of sense.

[Unregistered]

Thanks for your post. I recently was researching on this and I'm glad I found something that is challenging the claim of this mandatory RFID implantation under the new health care bill. I have a hypothetical for you and all readers. Let's say there is a nuclear fallout, Yellowstone erupts, solar flares penetrate into the earth, an asteroid crashes into the planet, tectonic plates twist and churn causing magnitude 20 earthquakes and tsunamis that are 100 times bigger Katrina, or a new deadly epidemic sweeps through the land...lets say some unimaginable colossal catastrophic event(s) plague the USA and the world. Do you think under with the wording of this bill, that for example, the VeriChip, the only FDA-approved human-implantable microchip[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VeriChip], which they (the FDA) have classified as a Device II [http://www.scribd.com/doc/22533693/F...Device-12Oct04] would be a logical choice of device to be used by the government under the healthcare bill for registering,tracking, monitoring, prescribing et al of the health services that they'd want to so desperately offer to the millions of people that would have been affected and in dire need of aid? Would you not CHOOSE to accept this verichip if it was a requirement for you to receive medical aid, maybe a vaccine to fatal epidemic, a blood transfusion or a medical operation that would save your life? Would you not CHOOSE to accept this verichip if it was mandatory in order for you to receive aid in food and water when a catastrophic event might have cut off public food/water supply? Would you not CHOOSE to accept this verichip if it was condition on which you could be given shelter in a safe zone after a nuclear fallout? Do you think millions of others would CHOOSE to accept this verichip if they believed that their lives depended on it?

Thanks again.

NO. thier are 2 many rednecks out there who know how to fish and hunt as is as for medical lots of farmers have learned hands on about treating injures.(mainly livestock) but the same application can be applied to themselves or other's.. people who live in the countryside would feel that this statement is really a control figure of speech..(since they already live off the land!)

[Mick]

So you are asking me if I would rather die than have an RFID chip implanted in me? Still seems pretty rhetorical. Why would anyone choose death?

I would prefer not to have a chip implanted. If Yellowstone has exploded I'd think it would be pretty low on the list of things people would be doing. I really can't picture an event that would be the "perfect storm" you suggest, and I think many changes would have to happen to society first before it becomes acceptable. One event is not going to do it.

But consider: the "evil government" usage of RFID chips can eventually be far more simply implemented with biometrics. Particularly iris scanners, but also facial recognition. You can remove a chip. Few people would remove their iris.

[ProdigalSon7]

So you are asking me if I would rather die than have an RFID chip implanted in me? Still seems pretty rhetorical. Why would anyone choose death?

Very few of us would choose death of our mortal bodies rather than forfeiting our integrity and losing our souls.
There will be some crazy unpopular non-conformist ones that will choose death.

"Give me liberty or give me death" - Patrick Henry (A Founding Father of the United States of America)

[Unregistered]

In answer to the rhetorical question I rather loose my life than accept a chip. The bible clearly says it is the mark of the beast. If not how did christians speak of a chip decades and decades and decades back of something unheard of so many years ago? Because the bible revealed it in revelations. This is indeed a prophetic door being opened. And only the nonbelievers will ridicule the severity of this situation. And maybe its not mandated at the time but now its setup to be mandated down the line. I will go to god for instruction and pray that u all do the same because only he can save us from the snare satan is setting up. The devil is currently setting the stage for his grand finale ... lord bless us and have mercy on us all. Biblical phropecies are about to unfold in the following years to come. Call me crazy,conspiracy theorist or watever but remember (laugh now cry later)

[Jazzy]

But consider: the "evil government" usage of RFID chips can eventually be far more simply implemented with biometrics. Particularly iris scanners, but also facial recognition. You can remove a chip. Few people would remove their iris.

There are software routines that analyze GAIT too. When combined with other routines, no implanted equipment will be necessary.

The choice between "nice" and "nasty" options remains while the "hardware" vanishes. It was always the "software".

Just a note.

[Mick]

The bible says nothing of chips. It says a "mark" (χάραγμα, charagma), which is an engraved stamp or an official seal, and which many biblical scholars interpret as thoughts and actions (forehead and wrists) indicating allegiance, rather than an actual mark (let alone a chip).

[cheeple]

The bible says nothing of chips. It says a "mark" (χάραγμα, charagma), which is an engraved stamp or an official seal, and which many biblical scholars interpret as thoughts and actions (forehead and wrists) indicating allegiance, rather than an actual mark (let alone a chip).

How did you know that? are you well versed on bible prophesy? are you a believer, I've heard the whole it's in your mind or what you do with your hands, I've also heard the mark of the beast is Christians bowing to the papacy and worshiping on Sunday instead of the Sabbath (saturday or Sabado), But the RFID Chip makes more sense as "No man will be able to buy nor sell save he haveth the mark", the chip can not only hold our blood type and allergies it could also hold our Insurance info and they could literally debit our bank accounts with one little "BEEP".

[Why the denial?]

The bible says nothing of chips. It says a "mark" (χάραγμα, charagma), which is an engraved stamp or an official seal, and which many biblical scholars interpret as thoughts and actions (forehead and wrists) indicating allegiance, rather than an actual mark (let alone a chip).

Mate you are so clueless. Off course the Bible was not going to say MICROCHIPS. Do you honestly believe the word CHIP or MICROCHIP even existed then? You say the Bible says nothing about FOREHEAD and WRISTS. Catch a wake up mate and read the following from the Bible;

Revelation 14:9-11 reads:

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And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Here is more on it! Peace!
http://www.av1611.org/666/takemark.html

[MikeC]

Mate you are so clueless. Off course the Bible was not going to say MICROCHIPS. Do you honestly believe the word CHIP or MICROCHIP even existed then? You say the Bible says nothing about FOREHEAD and WRISTS. Catch a wake up mate and read the following from the Bible;

Well those do seem to be the favoured "mark of the beast of the month" locations these days - lots of beleivers suggest they are suitable locations - so what is wrong with discussing them??

[Unregistered]

The fact that there is a registry that will know all your info is scary to me.

[Mick]

How is that scarier than a driver's license? A credit card?

It should be less scary, as nobody is forcing you to get a chip. In fact, nobody is evening currently using them. It's registry to record how we hip implants and pacemakers work.

[Unregistered]

Implantable RFID chips would be covered under the law what kind double talk are you putting forth here?
where do you think those medical records are going to come from? This is a disinfo site plain and simple.

There's a hoax going around that the health care reform act HR3200 (aka "Obama Care") requires everyone to get a chip implanted in their body.

This has already been quite well debunked over on Snopes:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/microchip.asp

The bottom line is:

• The law does not require anyone to get anything implanted
• It just creates a national registry of a huge range medical devices from pacemakers to dental implants
• The intent of the registry is to collect statistic on how safe and effective the devices are
• That's it.

Here's the actual bill:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...11hr3200ih.pdf

And here's what it says:


There's a little more about administrative things, but the above is the entirety of what the conspiracy promoters base their theory on. They get away with it in part because the language of the bill is rather complex and difficult to read, so they can basically make up whatever interpretation they like, and many of their readers will be fooled.

Pure disinformation here meant to calm Edward Bernays would be proud.

They then build upon this by claiming that a Class II device is a


When actually the three classes of medical devices have nothing to do with what the devices are, but are to do with how much they are regulated to ensure safety. For example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical...#United_States


So the law simply creates a registry for this HUGE range of different medical devices.

Implantable RFID chips would be covered under the law, but that's simply because they are one of thousands of devices that are classified as Type III or Type II implantable.

The law no more mandates you get a chip implanted than it mandates you get a hip replacement.

[Mick]

Of course the RFID chips would be covered, as would hip implants and pacemakers and all kinds of other things.

The point is that the law does not require you to have a chip. Just if you do, then it would be included in the registry with all the other things. The purpose of the registry is to measure how well these things work and how safe they are - for which purpose they need to keep track of them.

[Unregistered]

If they can make the health care mandatory...they can make the chip mandatory. Of course it isn't yet...but like the poster above stated, the perfect storm would be the excuse to identify survivors or anyone and they will justify it.

Then look at comments such as this video of people in current power right now....this makes me furiously want to fast from the world, that's for sure. Wake up now, later will be too late to do anything. They have set up the framework as the initial poster pointed out. They just need a crisis and whallah!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs6TgitlNIA