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    "liberal" seems to be the latest pejorative for someone who disagrees with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRBids View Post
    "liberal" seems to be the latest pejorative for someone who disagrees with you.
    Seeing how it's an immensely popular term among the Tea Party and Republicans, I'm not really surprised by that definition.
    The one character aspect I am most proud of is being able to recognize that something can be a total load of crap.

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    Among liberals, they use 'Teabagger' the same way, even when someone is not in the Tea Party. That reminds me of a post on a liberal site, that had a lot of 'racist' signs, that the original poster claimed came from Tea Party rallies. NONE of them had any provenance. I wish I had known then how to check for myself on them. I did find others that said they could not find any of them in any pictures from any Tea Party rallies. The poster was a graphic artist and in his resume, mentioned that he was competent in photoshop.

    I debunk both sides
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick View Post
    Given I'm pretty liberal myself, I'm slightly confused by the above, but thanks
    That must be the American idea of "liberal". That is itself confusing and confused. The British idea has a long tradition - of being confused too - but in a different way. This is the most useless post of the month. You can see I have liberal leanings.

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    What is your response to the ''whyamericansaredumb'' site? It claims this to be a misimformation site and that we are getting chipped.

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    Well, they have one post about state taxes and it ignores sales taxes. they claim that folks are moving to Texas because of our low tax rate---most cities are charging 8.25 on non food purchases. The Texas economy is in better shape because of oil and gas drilling.

    http://whyamericansaredumb.com/?s=metabunk.org

    if you ask me, that site is a waste of the electrical power it uses, nothing but all the normal CTs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    What is your response to the ''whyamericansaredumb'' site? It claims this to be a misimformation site and that we are getting chipped.
    'Misinformation' appears to mean 'doesn't agree with us', in my experience.

    Perhaps you should read this thread, examine the arguments, evidence and counter-arguments and decide for yourself who is spreading incorrect data.

    You'll find only one of the two sites represents both sides of the argument.

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    This site holds the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyMonday View Post
    'Misinformation' appears to mean 'doesn't agree with us', in my experience.
    Usually followed by "you SHEEP!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    What is your response to the ''whyamericansaredumb'' site? It claims this to be a misimformation site and that we are getting chipped.
    I can't take any site that has "Obama visited the seat of Satan" and "Britain's Royal Family Satanic" as its featured stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    What is your response to the ''whyamericansaredumb'' site? It claims this to be a misimformation site and that we are getting chipped.
    A lot of sites claim that the chipping will happen. They just don't provide credible evidence. If you think the site you mention provides credible evidence please post the relevant bit of information here and we can go forward.

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    What is your response to the ''whyamericansaredumb'' site? It claims this to be a misimformation site and that we are getting chipped.
    If you go to the WhyAmericansAreDumb article entitled: "Obama Care approves RFID chips"
    You will find that it states:

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    "HR 3962 Obama Care bill actually approves RFID implants. Page 1505 “Data Claims For Health Records and any other".


    It is immediately obvious to anyone acquainted with these laws that the version of HR 3962 that was signed into law by the President only has 28 pages ("PRESERVATION OF ACCESS TO CARE FOR MEDICARE BENEFICIARIES AND PENSION RELIEF ACT OF 2010 "),

    And that quoting from page 1505 from the dropped HR3962 "Affordable Health Care for America Act" and suggesting that it is current, pertinent information to base an article called; "Obama Care approves RFID chips", is clearly misinformative.

    The WhyAmericansAreDumb article goes on to say:
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    "HR 3962 was revised like 5 times but they only show the amendments. THE LAST amendment does not necessarily cancel out the other amendments".

    Clearly, the only version of a bill, amended or not that is signed by the president becomes law, making the earlier versions and their language simply obsolete.

    http://whyamericansaredumb.com/obama...es-rfid-chips/

    You can check this yourself by going to:

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3962:

    and clicking on the last (5th) version PDF

    You can verify that the "PRESERVATION OF ACCESS TO CARE FOR MEDICARE BENEFICIARIES AND PENSION RELIEF ACT OF 2010" was passed in lieu of the "Affordable Health Care for America Act" by viewing the list of signed Obama administration legislation at :

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-r...lation?page=48 ( June 25 2010)
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    I sure hope mick is right about this

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    Look at the versions of the bill this way. Say you are getting a divorce and the lawyer writes it up. When y'all talked to the lawyer, your spouse wanted the house, so that was how the divorce was written. The day before, you spouse gets fired, and they decide to move back home to take care of their elderly mother. You ask the lawyer to rewrite it, y'all sign the new version. Is there any way your spouse can change their mind and demand the house ? (without having to go back to the lawyer?
    "Knowledge is the antidote for fear."

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    Though it's not required. I would urge everyone to approach their local government to take preemptive steps in preventing any scan of your face or RFID (if one so chooses to get one) without ones consent. Much like the laws passed in Washington and California in 2008. I would like to get everyone take on discussions about putting RFIDs in drivers licenses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Though it's not required. I would urge everyone to approach their local government to take preemptive steps in preventing any scan of your face or RFID (if one so chooses to get one) without ones consent. Much like the laws passed in Washington and California in 2008. I would like to get everyone take on discussions about putting RFIDs in drivers licenses?
    I cannot see what is wrong with having your face scanned.

    If I were a terrorist or a bank robber, perhaps I'd think differently.

    Public places are just that - public - which means that others can see you. Whether they use their eyes or their cameras, there's no difference. You are already NOT "private".

    RFID is useful for animals, but biometrics is wonderfully non-intrusive and perfect for human beings.
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    5 days up to that date, i'm started to get anxiety...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazzy View Post
    If I were a terrorist or a bank robber, perhaps I'd think differently.
    If the government wants me to wear a chip so some guy in a desk can track my every movement, well then the joke is on them. I apologize to whomever is watching me, you're day must be very boring. I think tomorrow I'm going to go to the grocery store, then go back home... then probably to the bar later. You can track all that with my credit card purchases though, so just go ahead and take the day off - you've earned it.

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    Quote Content from external source:

    5 days up to that date, i'm started to get anxiety...


    Good news !
    The only bills that used the foreboding language;.....
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    " not later than the date that is 36 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, "


    were HR 3200 and HR 3962.


    HR 3200, never passed the Senate and the version of HR 3962 that made it into law has only 28 pages and says nothing about microchips, RFID or 36 months after enactment date.


    This is obsolete language, from bill versions that were dropped and disregarded.
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    This chip is already effective, Its in most of our animals,
    to whom have an animal that we don't want to lose, or want to be found if lost,

    You have implanted your pets with it,

    did anyone ask who they feel, NO!!!

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    The chip that is used in animals, can ONLY be read with a scanner that has to used within a few inches of the location. The RFID chips used to prevent theft are larger, so a scanner in a door can read them. They are too big to be implanted
    "Knowledge is the antidote for fear."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cairenn View Post
    The chip that is used in animals, can ONLY be read with a scanner that has to used within a few inches of the location. The RFID chips used to prevent theft are larger, so a scanner in a door can read them. They are too big to be implanted
    Too big to be realistically implanted, you'd need some quite significant surgery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheetosrevenge View Post
    5 days up to that date, i'm started to get anxiety...
    How are you feeling now?

    What was it you were expecting to see?
    "Details beget facts, and facts, judiciously sent forth, become assassins."

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    Why does everyone think the government is some big scary thing that commits mass atrocities behind the back of the population when its really just a bunch of old men who think its a good idea to send pictures of their penis over the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unregistered View Post
    why does everyone think the government is some big scary thing that commits mass atrocities behind the back of the population when its really just a bunch of old men who think its a good idea to send pictures of their penis over the internet.
    thank you
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    Because then they have someone to blame for all their problems. Sort of like a child saying 'George did it'.
    "Knowledge is the antidote for fear."

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