Cloud Seeding in Australia, Indium Oxide, and Ionization

[Saucon]

David Keith: "I don't know what a chemtrail is." LOL

GG dude you are a loser with no credibility. I can't believe there are people still sprouting BS that chemtrails don't exist.

Cloud seeding and chemtrails = the exact same thing. The Australian government has invested heavily in cloud seeding, along with over 40 other countries, and freely admitting it is happening. In fact by law they must inform the residents they are as risk of flood and exposure to the chemicals. Silver iodide (the main ingredient) is extremely toxic to all living matter.

Saucon

[MikeC]

Why are cloud seeding and chemtrails exactly the same thing?

Chemtrails are supposedly secret, started in hte mid-late 1990's, come from airliners, and are visible in clear blue skies and expand out into clouds - there are any number of websites all over the world saying more or less the same things along these lines.

Cloud seeding is not secret, is not done from airliners, is not done in clear blue skies, and did not start in the late 1990's when chemtrails supposedly did.

How can they be the same thing??

[Saucon]

Cloud seeding started in 1948, first in Australia over Tasmania ... and yes .... both planes and pods are used ,as the Snowy Hydo, in performing the seeding in Australia.

The ingredients in cloud seeding and what people are calling chemtrails are exactly the same. Silver iodide, barium and a tracer element called indium (to see where they have sprayed) which are all inorganic heavey metals and all extremely toxic.

The current cloud seeding in Australia is flooding the east coast and people are dying.... when cloud seeding fully comes out the sh!t will hit the fan over the flooding.

Mike here is some reading for you.... get up to speed on the subject .... http://www.climatechange.qld.gov.au/...inalreport.pdf

Saucon

PS These two names .... Sarah Tessendorf and Roelof Bruintjes .... are very important. Look them up

[Mick]

Saucon, cloud seeding is nothing like the "chemtrail" theory. If you want to call cloud seeding "chemtrails" then that's a very different thing from what most people call "chemtrails"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtra...spiracy_theory

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The term chemtrail is derived from "chemical trail", in the similar fashion that contrail is a portmanteau of condensation trail. It does not refer to other forms of aerial spraying such as crop dusting, cloud seeding, skywriting, or aerial firefighting.[7] The term specifically refers to aerial trails allegedly caused by the systematic high-altitude release of chemical substances not found in ordinary contrails, resulting in the appearance of characteristic sky tracks.

So if you want to talk about cloud seeding, then call it cloud seeding. Cloud seeding has been public knowledge for 60 years. It's not a secret. There's nothing to "come out".

If you want to claim "chemtrails" contain silver iodide, then provide some evidence.

[Saucon]

Mick

Mate play fair, if I am to provide info (which I have/am) then you do the same. I was told earlier that cloud seeding never happens from aircrafts.... as you can see from the info I provided I proved him wrong.

Chem trails have been happening for over 40 years also. Remember that wonderful stuff called agent orange we sprayed 10% of Vietnam with? Cloud seeding was also used in that war... I believe the famous quote was something like, "Lets make mud not war." or something like that.

As for cloud seeding not being a secrete, ask 10 strangers about cloud seeding and see how many know what it is.

Interestingly enough in the past cloud seeding was performed with dry ice, or co2, or carbon dioxide. Now Australia is introducing a carbon tax as of next month.

Nothing to come out? Rubbish... cloud seeing initially dry ice as I said before. The Russian cloud seeding technology currently being used is a different technique which uses the chemicals people are calling "chem trails" and an electronic signal from a ground base. Please challenge me on this The west is 10 years behind Russia and China on this and are playing catch up.

Would you like me to provide you with government documents on the Russian Electrification of Ionosphere cloud seeding program? It is also a ground based project. Here are some links to the Australia ground based cloud seeding (chemtrail) project.

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en...06536&t=h&z=15

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en...03268&t=h&z=16

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=wag...uth+Wales&z=16


Remember the two names I said to look up before? Hmmm international scientist with the fingers on the trigger in remote ground bases.

Interestingly enough Israel is supplying the chemicals and communications for the "cloud seeing" program in Australia at a huge burden to our economy. Yet Israel is being sprayed as well.

Always follow the money..... Ruppert Murdoch, Malcolm Turnbull, Matt Handbury and Aron Ginus to name a few.

Cloud seeding just sounds so much nicer than chemtrails doesn't it?

PS I have a medical background and have simply worked out how to combat the inorganic materials so I don't really give a sh!t anymore how much the spray. Well I do but Im safe until it stops.

[Mick]

Saucon,

Nobody denies that cloud seeding happens. Some people might be unaware of it, like most things. There's an extensive page on it on Wikipedia, so it's hardly something that's going to "come out". it came out 60 years ago when they started posting notices about it in the small ads of local papers, in the 1950s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding

Nobody denies that cloud seeding happens from aircraft - in fact that's the most well known method.

Cloud seeding is perfectly normal thing. There's nothing secret about it. It's been discussed thousands of times in the newspapers and TV in the past 60 years.

"Chemtrails" is a theory put out about contrails like these:


But cloud seeding does not look like that. It's a totally different thing.

[Steve Funk]

Agent Orange was not a secret program. I read about it in antiwar magazines in the '60s, when it was happening. I don't think the military ever really denied it. They couldn't deny it because too many people were involved. It would be the same with chemtrails. Too many people would be involved to keep it a secret if it were happening. Also, agent orange consisted of legal herbicides (at that time.) Most of the rice we ate in the '60's was sprayed with 245-T. It was not deregistered until the late '70s or early '80s. In fact, for a couple of years, it was deregistered for forest and range use, but remained registered for rice because it was considered economically important. The other component of agent orange was 2-4D, which is still legal in the US. Chances are, one of your neighbors uses it on his lawn if you live in the suburbs.

[firepilot]

Mick

Mate play fair, if I am to provide info (which I have/am) then you do the same. I was told earlier that cloud seeding never happens from aircrafts.... as you can see from the info I provided I proved him wrong.

Chem trails have been happening for over 40 years also. Remember that wonderful stuff called agent orange we sprayed 10% of Vietnam with? Cloud seeding was also used in that war... I believe the famous quote was something like, "Lets make mud not war." or something like that.

As for cloud seeding not being a secrete, ask 10 strangers about cloud seeding and see how many know what it is.

Interestingly enough in the past cloud seeding was performed with dry ice, or co2, or carbon dioxide. Now Australia is introducing a carbon tax as of next month.

Nothing to come out? Rubbish... cloud seeing initially dry ice as I said before. The Russian cloud seeding technology currently being used is a different technique which uses the chemicals people are calling "chem trails" and an electronic signal from a ground base. Please challenge me on this The west is 10 years behind Russia and China on this and are playing catch up.

Would you like me to provide you with government documents on the Russian Electrification of Ionosphere cloud seeding program? It is also a ground based project. Here are some links to the Australia ground based cloud seeding (chemtrail) project.

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en...06536&t=h&z=15

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en...03268&t=h&z=16

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=wag...uth+Wales&z=16


Remember the two names I said to look up before? Hmmm international scientist with the fingers on the trigger in remote ground bases.

Interestingly enough Israel is supplying the chemicals and communications for the "cloud seeing" program in Australia at a huge burden to our economy. Yet Israel is being sprayed as well.

Always follow the money..... Ruppert Murdoch, Malcolm Turnbull, Matt Handbury and Aron Ginus to name a few.

Cloud seeding just sounds so much nicer than chemtrails doesn't it?

PS I have a medical background and have simply worked out how to combat the inorganic materials so I don't really give a sh!t anymore how much the spray. Well I do but Im safe until it stops.

Cloud seeding is not secret whatsoever, it is permitted through state regulatory agencies. Just because not many people know about something, is not evidence of secrecy. How it works is not common knowledge, and it is not even commonly done. You could ask people how plastic is produced, and how many people will be able to answer that one? Is plastic production therefore secret?

Cloud seeding is not chemtrails. Its baffling why chemmies use the existence of something done with small planes into storms to try to make more precip, as evidence of some secret program with secret planes, from secret bases, because of trails in blue sky.

Inorganic materials are all around us. Its junk science spread by chemtrail promoters, who insist that inorganic materials should not be in the air, and the answer to that is high priced fake remedies, books and videos.

[JFDee]

Saucon, maybe there was a language issue involved.

You said:"I was told earlier that cloud seeding never happens from aircrafts.... "

But what MikeC said earlier was:"Cloud seeding [...] is not done from airliners"

So i think he is well aware that cloud seeding is done from aircraft; the word "airliners" refers to the jets that comprise the commercial air traffic, with a travelling altitude of 30000 ft and more (generally). They are occasionally creating the trails that the chemtrail proponents are pointing out.

[firepilot]

So Saucon, tell us what the kind of aircraft are that cloud seeding is done from. Of course it is done with aircraft, I am just wanting to see if you know what aircraft are used.

[MikeC]

Cloud seeding started in 1948, first in Australia over Tasmania ... and yes .... both planes and pods are used ,as the Snowy Hydo, in performing the seeding in Australia.

Actually the first experiments were in the USA, with the first attempts in New York in 1946

The ingredients in cloud seeding and what people are calling chemtrails are exactly the same. Silver iodide, barium and a tracer element called indium (to see where they have sprayed) which are all inorganic heavey metals and all extremely toxic.

I have never heard of barium and indium being used for cloud seeding.

Indium isn't very toxic at all - unless you get it injected -

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Indium is not known to be used by any organism. In a similar way to aluminium salts, indium(III) ions can be toxic to the kidney when given by injection, but oral indium compounds do not have the chronic toxicity of salts of heavy metals, probably due to poor absorption in basic conditions. Radioactive indium-111 (in very small amounts on a chemical basis) is used in nuclear medicine tests, as a radiotracer to follow the movement of labeled proteins and white blood cells in the body.

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indium

Barium isn't either - Barium toxicity I have had a barium meal - 30 or so years ago!

And neither is silver iodide - silver iodide toxicity

[Mick]

Indium Trioxide is used as a tracer in Australia. It's not doing any seeding, just used to see where the stuff ends up. It's not toxic.

http://www.nrc.nsw.gov.au/content/do...w%25202010.pdf

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The trial uses silver iodide as the cloud seeding agent and indium trioxide as a tracer agent.

[firepilot]

Indium Trioxide is used as a tracer in Australia. It's not doing any seeding, just used to see where the stuff ends up. It's not toxic.

http://www.nrc.nsw.gov.au/content/do...w%25202010.pdf

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The trial uses silver iodide as the cloud seeding agent and indium trioxide as a tracer agent.

Yes, and the whole reason they need a tracer, is that silver iodide is used in such tiny amounts, it is not detectable. The chemtrailers act like massive amounts of AgI are dumped, but if that was true, there would then be no need for a tracer, huh?

[Saucon]

The Russian Electrification of the Ionosphere is a new technique of 'cloud seeding' as I said earlier. Much different to the co2 cloud seeding they did for many years as they do not need any cloud at all to seed.

Cloud seeding is not a "perfectly normal thing", it is geo-engineering at its worst. Please read the quote below from Mr Ian Searle......

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"The one that is being touted at the moment sounds very similar to a group in the USA called the Cloudbusters, and they're supposed to ionise the atmosphere in order to make clouds out of blue skies and then to produce rain from those clouds. Electrification of the ionosphere to create clouds out of thin air certainly sounds a lot like the secret Australian rain device - no photographs allowed - that so excited the Minister and those who will share his six-month $10 million research funding."

These are the lines in the sky people are seeing and yes they have something to complain about because the chemicals used in the current cloud seeding programs are toxic and dangerous to all living matter. Even those involved in the program admit there is no way to determine the environmental impact for years to come yet.

BTW no one in there right mind would call those contrails in the photo you provided because contrails dissipate quite quickly and do not form clouds.

Any thoughts on the locations I provided you?

Saucon

[SR1419]

^ WHy do you think contrails always dissipate quickly and do not form clouds?

What are contrails and why can't they persist?

Perhaps you should review Mick's other site:

www.contrailscience.com

[Mick]

The ionosphere is 50-100 miles up. That's nothing to do with cloud seeding. The highest cloud seeding possible would be around 4 miles up.

Ionizing the atmosphere on the other hand is something that has been suggested. But that's nothing to do with "lines in the sky".

[firepilot]

The Russian Electrification of the Ionosphere is a new technique of 'cloud seeding' as I said earlier. Much different to the co2 cloud seeding they did for many years as they do not need any cloud at all to seed.

Cloud seeding is not a "perfectly normal thing", it is geo-engineering at its worst. Please read the quote below from Mr Ian Searle......

"The one that is being touted at the moment sounds very similar to a group in the USA called the Cloudbusters, and they're supposed to ionise the atmosphere in order to make clouds out of blue skies and then to produce rain from those clouds. Electrification of the ionosphere to create clouds out of thin air certainly sounds a lot like the secret Australian rain device - no photographs allowed - that so excited the Minister and those who will share his six-month $10 million research funding."

These are the lines in the sky people are seeing and yes they have something to complain about because the chemicals used in the current cloud seeding programs are toxic and dangerous to all living matter. Even those involved in the program admit there is no way to determine the environmental impact for years to come yet.

BTW no one in there right mind would call those contrails in the photo you provided because contrails dissipate quite quickly and do not form clouds.

Any thoughts on the locations I provided you?

Saucon

Wow, its obvious you come up with your information, from conspiracy sites more than anything else.
Dry Ice has been used, and is still used to some degree. But of course they need a cloud for it. The fact that you think that they do not, is evidence that you really are in an area way out of your league to be acting like you are knowledgable.

Ionosphere and rain producing clouds are two things that have nothing to do with each other. Do you actually think that rain clouds are present in there ionsphere?

There is no evidence of "Cloudbusters" doing anything at all.

No, cloud seeding chemicals are not dangerous to all living matter. Can you show where cloud seeding chemicals are even detected in water or air pollution?

Yes, those are contrails, and the only people who insist that contrails can not last, are chemtrail promoters and believers. Just the fact that you parrot that disinformation, proves chemtrail sites are your source of garbage.

[Saucon]

I can see there is no truth seeking to be done here....

"Yes, and the whole reason they need a tracer, is that silver iodide is used in such tiny amounts, it is not detectable. The chemtrailers act like massive amounts of AgI are dumped, but if that was true, there would then be no need for a tracer, huh? "

LOL biggest load of BS ever. The reason they use indium is because indium in not naturally found anywhere on earth yet silver is. As for what planes are used, try reading the pdf i supplied earlier you might find your answer and learn something new.

Please read up further on indium and silver iodide instead of trying to wing your answers.

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"Indium compounds are encountered rarely by most people. All indium compounds should be regarded as highly toxic. Indium compounds damage the heart, kidney, and liver, and may be teratogenic."

Read more: http://www.lenntech.com/periodic/ele...#ixzz1uDtHT6B7

and for the lungs ...... "Pulmonary alveolar proteinosis in workers at an indium processing facility."

http://ukpmc.ac.uk/articles/PMC31590...cpCQX96L6M6p.6


Please read the material data sheet on indium directly from the Indium Corporation.
http://www.indium.com/techlibrary/msds.php

Saucon

PS this is too easy... I'm guessing before my post none of you even knew what indium was and now your all experts. Keep up the good work!

[Saucon]

"The ionosphere is 50-100 miles up. That's nothing to do with cloud seeding. The highest cloud seeding possible would be around 4 miles up.

Ionizing the atmosphere on the other hand is something that has been suggested. But that's nothing to do with "lines in the sky"."

WOW you are getting close... keep researching. The 'cloud seeding' is a cover. Work out what is really happening.... I will give you some hints.... Russia and China are way ahead of us by about 10 years.

[firepilot]

There is a reason I am asking you what planes are used. Its apparent you know little if anything about cloud seeding, other than conspiracy sites...

Cloud seeding is a cover? Ha, so the insurance companies that pay for hail reduction attempts and the water agencies that are trying to get more water, and the power companies that want more snowpack, are all part of some secret conspiracies?

So much do you think a twin engine Cessna or Piper can carry?

[Mick]

Please read the material data sheet on indium directly from the Indium Corporation.
http://www.indium.com/techlibrary/msds.php

The indium used in the cloud seeing is Indium Oxide (aka Indium Trioxide). The MDS for that is here:

http://www.indium.com/_dynamo/download.php?docid=1407

The relevant part is:

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Hazard statement(s)
H315 Causes skin irritation
H319 Causes serious eye irritation
H335 May cause respiratory irritation
Precautionary statement(s)
P233 Keep container closed
P261 Avoid breathing dust/fume/gas/mist/vapors/spray
P270 Do not eat, drink or smoke when using this product
P273 Avoid release to the environment
P280 Wear protective gloves/protective clothing/eye protection/face protection
P362 Take off contaminated clothing and wash before reuse
P302 +P352 IF ON SKIN: Wash with plenty of soap and water
P304 + 341 IF INHALED: If breathing is difficult, remove victim to fresh air and keep at rest in a position comfortable
for breathing
P305 + 351 IF IN EYES: Rinse continuously with water for several minutes

Basically it's an irritant. And that's in its pure powder form. It's about as toxic as talc, and it's going to be about one quintillionth the concentration.

Here's the MDS for talc, same kind of thing.

http://www.lagunaclay.com/msds/pdf/3...y/mtalpion.pdf

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7. HANDLING AND STORAGE
Avoid dust formation. Keep container tightly closed.
[...]
8. EXPOSURE CONTROL/PERSONAL PROTECTION
[...]
RESPIRATORY PROTECTION: NIOSH approved duct respirator should by used when level exceeds TLV.
VENTILATION: Normal air circulation, use adequate ventilation for low TLV
LOCAL EXHAUST: Collect excessive dust at point of generation
PROTECTIVE GLOVES & EYE PROTECTION: Impermeable gloves and Eye protective glasses are recommended.
[...]
11. TOXICOLOGICAL INFORMATIONPOTENTIAL HEALTH EFFECTS (ACUTE & CHRONIC): May cause eye and skin irritation. Ingestion may cause gastrointestinal irritation, nausea
and diarrhea.
Long-term exposure to high amount of talc without the approval dust mask may lead to chronic cough and dyspepsia

[Jay Reynolds]

First was this claim:

"Cloud seeding and chemtrails = the exact same thing.

That claim has now morphed into:

The 'cloud seeding' is a cover.

So, cloud seeding and chemtrails are exactly the same thing, and contain toxic stuff, bu are actally both 'covers'?

Saucon, are you sure you have thought these claims through completely?

It almost sounds like you are making things up as you go along.
And you haven't been forthright about showing anything close to a coherent set of evidence for your claims.

Can't you be less coy and abstruse, or are you just sending up flags to see if someone salutes?
Don't be a timewaster. If you strongly feel something about this, certainly there is some reason why, but you haven't shown it yet?

Why not?

[Saucon]

"The relevant part is:"

No the relevant part is .....

Eye Contact: May cause severe irritation.
Ingestion: May be harmful if swallowed.
Inhalation: May cause respiratory irritation.
Skin Contact: Causes skin irritation.
Chronic: Kidney and liver damage from injecting indium compounds has been reported based on limited
animal testing but no systematic effects from human exposure has been reported.
Note: The Indium Corporation does not recommend, manufacture, market or endorse any of its
products for human consumption.
Warning: This product contains a chemical known to the State of California to cause cancer and/or
birth defects ( or other reproductive harm). (Trace levels of lead, not intentionally added).

and thank you for pointing out this particular important information

"273 Avoid release to the environment"

and

"P270 Do not eat, drink or smoke when using this product" .... a nice cold drink from cloud seeding anyone?

and

"P261 Avoid breathing dust/fume/gas/mist/vapors/spray" ...... aerosol from cloud seeding .... hmmmm

So Mick... are you telling me you would be happy to consume some Indium to prove me wrong seen as if you think it is as toxic as talc? I would like to set this up if we could... Im not short of cash let me know and we can sort something out.

This is a statement from the Indium Corporation themselves. I will take their advice over your advice, but thank you anyway for your opinion.

[MikeC]

So, like everyone else said, not "extremely toxic" as you originally claimed.

you are just scaremongering.

[Saucon]

"That claim has now morphed into:"

Get with the program... there is more than one way to 'cloud seed'. You are picking and choosing whatever suits you. I provided information which proves Electrification of the Ionosphere is real and the chemicals they spray to perform this. I have provided information which proves releasing these chemicals into the atmosphere is damaging and extremely toxic to ALL living matter. I provided the locations of a couple of bases used in the Electrification of the Ionosphere which has been ignored.

I would love a a live debate on this without people connected to google... I would intellectually blow you all away... in fact anyone near Sydney and lets set this up.

"It almost sounds like you are making things up as you go along."

Really? Actually I am proving the debunkers are making it up as they go.

"Can't you be less coy and abstruse,"

Nope... I have a tonne of info (Aust and US govt documents) but I like to see people fall on their sword, I believe it makes them a better person in the end.

[Trigger Hippie]

I provided information which proves Electrification of the Ionosphere is real and the chemicals they spray to perform this.

Do you believe they are spraying chemicals in the ionosphere?

[Saucon]

"So, like everyone else said, not "extremely toxic" as you originally claimed.

you are just scaremongering."

Did you not read the info that I provided? .... even a Journal article which is the level I usually deal with.

Did you just take your forum mates word on this?

[Saucon]

"Do you believe they are spraying chemicals in the ionosphere?"

Does no one read the articles I post?

Do I believe? No the information I provided proves it! From memory the ionosphere is 32000 feet and the spraying is being done at 35000 feet. So the answer to your question is YES they are spraying in the ionosphere.

The ionosphere is where storms are created.

[Jay Reynolds]

I provided information which proves Electrification of the Ionosphere is real and the chemicals they spray to perform this.

You provided no relationship between ionospheric rocket experiments and cloud seeding. When it was pointed out, you refused to respond. You have proven nothing about your claim.

I have provided information which proves releasing these chemicals into the atmosphere is damaging and extremely toxic to ALL living matter.

No, the specific indium compound used as a tracer in miniscule amounts has no toxic effect. You have not proven otherwise.

I provided the locations of a couple of bases used in the Electrification of the Ionosphere which has been ignored.

You showed two google maps. Nothing more.

[Trigger Hippie]

So the answer to your question is YES they are spraying in the ionosphere. The ionosphere is where storms are created.

Ionosphere starts at about 60km in altitude. Weather is created about 50km below that.

Do you still believe they are spraying chemicals in the ionosphere?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionosphere

[Saucon]

"Ionosphere starts at about 60km.

Do you still believe they are spraying chemicals in the ionosphere?"

Sh!t you are right, they spray the stratosphere.... Always happy to admit I am wrong when I am..... I was getting confused with something else I haven't even discussed yet. This is a huge subject and cloud seeding is the most boring part f it. Get up to speed and then lets talk.

PS the alien looking bases of the links I provided are involved in this program.

[MikeC]

"So, like everyone else said, not "extremely toxic" as you originally claimed.

you are just scaremongering."

Did you not read the info that I provided? .... even a Journal article which is the level I usually deal with.

Did you just take your forum mates word on this?

Yes I read the article - did you? Or did you just quote mine the headline?

It relates to industrial workers exposed to high levels of Indium-Tin-Oxide for months on end in small rooms with furnaces, grinding, dust, no respiratory protection much of the time and poor ventilation.

Perhaps you would like to tell us how that relates to including miniscule amounts of Indium trioxide in occasional cloud seeding over various parts of the earth?

[Saucon]

"It relates to industrial workers exposed to high levels of Indium-Tin-Oxide for months on end in small rooms with furnaces, grinding, dust, no respiratory protection much of the time and poor ventilation."

But people on this tread are trying to say indium is harmless. Obviously not! Now we are spraying it in the atmosphere for nothing more than $$$$$ for a few greedy people.

I love your wording.... "miniscule amounts of Indium trioxide in occasional cloud seeding"

LOL who do you work for?

[MikeC]

"It relates to industrial workers exposed to high levels of Indium-Tin-Oxide for months on end in small rooms with furnaces, grinding, dust, no respiratory protection much of the time and poor ventilation."

But people on this tread are trying to say indium is harmless.

who said that?

Obviously not! Now we are spraying it in the atmosphere for nothing more than $$$$$ for a few greedy people.

Yep..and so what? People do so every day - millions of them - billions perhaps - riding those chemtrail-spewing vehicles to and from work, traveling over the globe, shipping goods and materials around, making stuff......it's not just happening "now" - it's been happening since roughly the bronze age

I love your wording.... "miniscule amounts of Indium trioxide in occasional cloud seeding"

And what is wrong with my wording?

LOL who do you work for?

Who do you work for?

[Saucon]

who said that?



Yep..and so what? People do so every day - millions of them - billions perhaps - riding those chemtrail-spewing vehicles to and from work, traveling over the globe, shipping goods and materials around, making stuff......it's not just happening "now" - it's been happening since roughly the bronze age



And what is wrong with my wording?



Who do you work for?

I work for NSW Health, John Hunter Hospital Newcastle, NSW, Operating Theaters. Would you like my APRAH number?

and your qualifications?

Let me tell you something... it is impossible for the human body to remove heavy metals without certain products that I will not disclose and leave to your imagination. Like everything else. Im just happy I know how to remove them and have the products right here in my house to do so.

[MikeC]

Yes please - and what are your actual qualifications rather than just your employer?

And of course you are simply out and out wrong with your statement that "heavy metal"s cannot be removed from the human body without "certain products" - are you referring to chelation perhaps?? Many "heavy metals" (a pretty non-specific term really) are easily removed from the body - eg iron, copper, cobalt. Even the well known poisons cadmium and lead are excreted through various mechanisms (urine, bile, faeces) and are only a problem when the intake rate exceeds the relatively slow excretion rate.

Indium itself has poor absorption and is relatively easily expelled through the gastrointestinal tract - that is in rats - but since In2O6 is insoluble in water it is extremely unlikely to bioaccumulate in humans anyway.

http://www.snowyhydro.com.au/files/SPET.pdf
Section 1.7 Exotoxicology

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"The expected environmental impact of silver iodide and indium sesquioxide can be summarised as being negligibly small, primarily because these compounds will be used in trace quantities, are not water soluble, and will not be readily bioavailable.
The bioavailability of silver ions arising from silver iodide in both soil and water is sufficiently ameliorated by the presence of dissolved organic carbon, chloride ions, carbonate ions and sulfidic materials, to be below toxic effects thresholds. In addition, silver ions are strongly adsorbed onto particulate matter in water. Findings from recent studies point to the fact that silver ion concentrations in natural waters are negligibly small. Studies have shown that most of these ameliorating factors exist in the KNP and, as a result, the bioavailability of silver is not expected to rise significantly above current background levels.
Indium sesquioxide is not water soluble, is therefore not likely to bioaccumulate, and does not represent an environmental hazard. In general terms the SPET not contribute significant amounts of indium to soil, water or snow, and indium levels are not expected to be detected at levels significantly above the current background."

Actually I'm an aircraft mechanic - Licenced Aircraft Maintenance Engineer, with a BA with a history major, and a Graduate Certificate in Risk Management (91537NSW Vocational).

does that make Indium any more likely to bioaccumulate???

[Mick]

Saucon,

I think you don't really appreciate the difference between Indium, and Indium Oxide.

It's like the difference between sodium (a high reactive and dangerous metal) and sodium chloride (table salt).

Looking at the MSDS for Sodium Tells you nothing about Sodium Chloride




Likewise, the MSDS for Indium tells you nothing about the MSDS for Indium Oxide (aka Indium Trioxide).

[Saucon]

Seriously you are a dickhead... end of story.

Ban me please because I am done here.... no intellectual conversation to be had.

Saucon

PS I was invited here from someone off youtube to have a debate.... no debate obvious ... this is really sad!

[Mick]

Saucon,

You can ban yourself. I'm not going to ban you for asking a few questions.

Look at the MSDS. Try to understand the difference between indium and indium oxide.

You put sodium chloride on your fish and chips don't you? And it has the same MSDS profile as indium oxide - slightly worse actually, as there's know carcinogenic factors in table salt.

[Saucon]

Mick

I think you have no medical background and thus nothing worthy to say.... thanks for trying though.

Saucon

PS in fact this is embarrassing from you Mick!