Originally Posted by Charlie Primero
What do you mean by 'of significance' ?
What do you mean by 'of significance' ?
The meetings are illegal
Cheeple...please explain why? Would some sort of Lodge meetings with public officials who are members also be illegal?
Sure it's illegal because of the Logan Act, The Logan Act reads as follows:Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.If you look at the official Bilderberg participant list (the Bilderbergers now post it on their “official” website), you will see a large number of U.S. citizens, including Massachusetts senator John Kerry, the governor of Indiana, a National Security adviser, and a large number of bankers, business CEOs, and assorted others.
All of them are in violation of the law and should be arrested immediately.
But then nobody has ever been convicted or arrested under the law. The only known indictment under the Logan Act was one that occurred in 1803 when a grand jury indicted Francis Flournoy, a Kentucky farmer, who published an article in the Frankfort Guardian of Freedom. Flournoy had advocated a separate nation in the western part of the United States allied with France.
And then there was the case of John D. Martin, a prisoner of war in North Korea, who was court-martialed for collaborating with North Korea and conducting “re-education” classes. The case was dismissed. In 1967, the government wanted to use the act against Stokely Carmichael for a visit he made to Hanoi during the Vietnam War. Carmichael was never charged.
Of course, when it comes to the titans of industry, banksters and globalists, the act is irrelevant – these folks operate on their own legal and moral plateau. Considering their other crimes – war, mass murder, the theft of trillions and other assorted monumental scams and felonies – violating the Logan Act pales in comparison.
It would be nice, though, if one or two of the cops now surrounding the Marriott in Chantilly marched into the meeting and arrested a few of the traitors, beginning with David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger.
It is only illegal if you can show:
1/ that their attendance was not authorised; AND
2/ their intent was to influence the measures or conduct of a foreign government or officer thereof; AND
3/ that influence was in relation to a dispute, or to defeat the measures of the US.
You are presuming all those are the case ....... but for it to ACTUALLY be illegal you have to PROVE them to the satisfaction of a court of law.
If you honestly believe this to be the case, and have evidence to back it up, then I suggest you make a complaint to a competent legal authority rather than a discussion forum.
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -Pascal
"It is very important not to mistake hemlock for parsley; but not at all so to believe or not in God" - Diderot
Well since, I can't prove it and I have no evidence, sounds like thy have a license to break the logan act whenever they want, I'm sure the president of the World Bank, the NSA, Parliament, Foreign Diplomats, and Ben Bernanke just got together for the betterment of mankind, there is no way they were their to shape the future for their own interest.
FRA Castries, Henri de Chairman and CEO, AXA Group DEU Ackermann, Josef Chairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank AG GBR Agius, Marcus Chairman, Barclays plc USA Ajami, Fouad Senior Fellow, The Hoover Institution, Stanford University USA Alexander, Keith B. Commander, US Cyber Command; Director, National Security Agency INT Almunia, Joaquín Vice-President – Commissioner for Competition, European Commission USA Altman, Roger C. Chairman, Evercore Partners PRT Amado, Luís Chairman, Banco Internacional do Funchal (BANIF) NOR Andresen, Johan H. Owner and CEO, FERD FIN Apunen, Matti Director, Finnish Business and Policy Forum EVA TUR Babacan, Ali Deputy Prime Minister for Economic and Financial Affairs PRT Balsemão, Francisco Pinto President and CEO, Impresa; Former Prime Minister FRA Baverez, Nicolas Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP FRA Béchu, Christophe Senator, and Chairman, General Council of Maine-et-Loire BEL Belgium, H.R.H. Prince Philippe of TUR Berberoğlu, Enis Editor-in-Chief, Hürriyet Newspaper ITA Bernabè, Franco Chairman and CEO, Telecom Italia GBR Boles, Nick Member of Parliament SWE Bonnier, Jonas President and CEO, Bonnier AB NOR Brandtzæg, Svein Richard President and CEO, Norsk Hydro ASA AUT Bronner, Oscar Publisher, Der Standard Medienwelt SWE Carlsson, Gunilla Minister for International Development Cooperation CAN Carney, Mark J. Governor, Bank of Canada ESP Cebrián, Juan Luis CEO, PRISA; Chairman, El País AUT Cernko, Willibald CEO, UniCredit Bank Austria AG FRA Chalendar, Pierre André de Chairman and CEO, Saint-Gobain DNK Christiansen, Jeppe CEO, Maj Invest RUS Chubais, Anatoly B. CEO, OJSC RUSNANO CAN Clark, W. Edmund Group President and CEO, TD Bank Group GBR Clarke, Kenneth Member of Parliament, Lord Chancellor and Secretary of Justice USA Collins, Timothy C. CEO and Senior Managing Director, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC ITA Conti, Fulvio CEO and General Manager, Enel S.p.A. USA Daniels, Jr., Mitchell E. Governor of Indiana USA DeMuth, Christopher Distinguished Fellow, Hudson Institute USA Donilon, Thomas E. National Security Advisor, The White House GBR Dudley, Robert Group Chief Executive, BP plc ITA Elkann, John Chairman, Fiat S.p.A. DEU Enders, Thomas CEO, Airbus USA Evans, J. Michael Vice Chairman, Global Head of Growth Markets, Goldman Sachs & Co. AUT Faymann, Werner Federal Chancellor DNK Federspiel, Ulrik Executive Vice President, Haldor Topsøe A/S USA Ferguson, Niall Laurence A. Tisch Professor of History, Harvard University GBR Flint, Douglas J. Group Chairman, HSBC Holdings plc CHN Fu, Ying Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs IRL Gallagher, Paul Former Attorney General; Senior Counsel USA Gephardt, Richard A. President and CEO, Gephardt Group GRC Giannitsis, Anastasios Former Minister of Interior; Professor of Development and International Economics, University of Athens USA Goolsbee, Austan D. Professor of Economics, University of Chicago Booth School of Business USA Graham, Donald E. Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company ITA Gruber, Lilli Journalist – Anchorwoman, La 7 TV INT Gucht, Karel de Commissioner for Trade, European Commission NLD Halberstadt, Victor Professor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings USA Harris, Britt CIO, Teacher Retirement System of Texas USA Hoffman, Reid Co-founder and Executive Chairman, LinkedIn CHN Huang, Yiping Professor of Economics, China Center for Economic Research, Peking University USA Huntsman, Jr., Jon M. Chairman, Huntsman Cancer Foundation DEU Ischinger, Wolfgang Chairman, Munich Security Conference; Global Head Government Relations, Allianz SE RUS Ivanov, Igor S. Associate member, Russian Academy of Science; President, Russian International Affairs Council FRA Izraelewicz, Erik CEO, Le Monde USA Jacobs, Kenneth M. Chairman and CEO, Lazard USA Johnson, James A. Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC USA Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. Senior Managing Director, Lazard USA Karp, Alexander CEO, Palantir Technologies USA Karsner, Alexander Executive Chairman, Manifest Energy, Inc FRA Karvar, Anousheh Inspector, Inter-ministerial Audit and Evaluation Office for Social, Health, Employment and Labor Policies RUS Kasparov, Garry Chairman, United Civil Front (of Russia) GBR Kerr, John Independent Member, House of Lords USA Kerry, John Senator for Massachusetts TUR Keyman, E. Fuat Director, Istanbul Policy Center and Professor of International Relations, Sabanci University USA Kissinger, Henry A. Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc. USA Kleinfeld, Klaus Chairman and CEO, Alcoa TUR Koç, Mustafa Chairman, Koç Holding A.Ş. DEU Koch, Roland CEO, Bilfinger Berger SE INT Kodmani, Bassma Member of the Executive Bureau and Head of Foreign Affairs, Syrian National Council USA Kravis, Henry R. Co-Chairman and Co-CEO, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. USA Kravis, Marie-Josée Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute INT Kroes, Neelie Vice President, European Commission; Commissioner for Digital Agenda USA Krupp, Fred President, Environmental Defense Fund INT Lamy, Pascal Director-General, World Trade Organization ITA Letta, Enrico Deputy Leader, Democratic Party (PD) ISR Levite, Ariel E. Nonresident Senior Associate, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace USA Li, Cheng Director of Research and Senior Fellow, John L. Thornton China Center, Brookings Institution USA Lipsky, John Distinguished Visiting Scholar, Johns Hopkins University USA Liveris, Andrew N. President, Chairman and CEO, The Dow Chemical Company DEU Löscher, Peter President and CEO, Siemens AG USA Lynn, William J. Chairman and CEO, DRS Technologies, Inc. GBR Mandelson, Peter Member, House of Lords; Chairman, Global Counsel USA Mathews, Jessica T. President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace DEN Mchangama, Jacob Director of Legal Affairs, Center for Political Studies (CEPOS) CAN McKenna, Frank Deputy Chair, TD Bank Group USA Mehlman, Kenneth B. Partner, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. GBR Micklethwait, John Editor-in-Chief, The Economist FRA Montbrial, Thierry de President, French Institute for International Relations PRT Moreira da Silva, Jorge First Vice-President, Partido Social Democrata (PSD) USA Mundie, Craig J. Chief Research and Strategy Officer, Microsoft Corporation DEU Nass, Matthias Chief International Correspondent, Die Zeit NLD Netherlands, H.M. the Queen of the ESP Nin Génova, Juan María Deputy Chairman and CEO, Caixabank IRL Noonan, Michael Minister for Finance USA Noonan, Peggy Author, Columnist, The Wall Street Journal FIN Ollila, Jorma Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell, plc USA Orszag, Peter R. Vice Chairman, Citigroup GRC Papalexopoulos, Dimitri Managing Director, Titan Cement Co. NLD Pechtold, Alexander Parliamentary Leader, Democrats ’66 (D66) USA Perle, Richard N. Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute NLD Polman, Paul CEO, Unilever PLC CAN Prichard, J. Robert S. Chair, Torys LLP ISR Rabinovich, Itamar Global Distinguished Professor, New York University GBR Rachman, Gideon Chief Foreign Affairs Commentator, The Financial Times USA Rattner, Steven Chairman, Willett Advisors LLC CAN Redford, Alison M. Premier of Alberta CAN Reisman, Heather M. CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc. DEU Reitzle, Wolfgang CEO & President, Linde AG USA Rogoff, Kenneth S. Professor of Economics, Harvard University USA Rose, Charlie Executive Editor and Anchor, Charlie Rose USA Ross, Dennis B. Counselor, Washington Institute for Near East Policy POL Rostowski, Jacek Minister of Finance USA Rubin, Robert E. Co-Chair, Council on Foreign Relations; Former Secretary of the Treasury NLD Rutte, Mark Prime Minister ESP Sáenz de Santamaría Antón, Soraya Vice President and Minister for the Presidency NLD Scheffer, Paul Professor of European Studies, Tilburg University USA Schmidt, Eric E. Executive Chairman, Google Inc. AUT Scholten, Rudolf Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG FRA Senard, Jean-Dominique CEO, Michelin Group USA Shambaugh, David Director, China Policy Program, George Washington University INT Sheeran, Josette Vice Chairman, World Economic Forum FIN Siilasmaa, Risto Chairman of the Board of Directors, Nokia Corporation USA Speyer, Jerry I. Chairman and Co-CEO, Tishman Speyer CHE Supino, Pietro Chairman and Publisher, Tamedia AG IRL Sutherland, Peter D. Chairman, Goldman Sachs International USA Thiel, Peter A. President, Clarium Capital / Thiel Capital TUR Timuray, Serpil CEO, Vodafone Turkey DEU Trittin, Jürgen Parliamentary Leader, Alliance 90/The Greens GRC Tsoukalis, Loukas President, Hellenic Foundation for European and Foreign Policy FIN Urpilainen, Jutta Minister of Finance CHE Vasella, Daniel L. Chairman, Novartis AG INT Vimont, Pierre Executive Secretary General, European External Action Service GBR Voser, Peter CEO, Royal Dutch Shell plc SWE Wallenberg, Jacob Chairman, Investor AB USA Warsh, Kevin Distinguished Visiting Fellow, The Hoover Institution, Stanford University GBR Wolf, Martin H. Chief Economics Commentator, The Financial Times USA Wolfensohn, James D. Chairman and CEO, Wolfensohn and Company CAN Wright, Nigel S. Chief of Staff, Office of the Prime Minister USA Yergin, Daniel Chairman, IHS Cambridge Energy Research Associates INT Zoellick, Robert B. President, The World Bank Group Rapporteurs GBR Bredow, Vendeline von Business Correspondent, The Economist GBR Wooldridge, Adrian D. Foreign Correspondent, The Economist
It is not a licence to break anything at all - it is a presumption of innocence that requires some evidence to disprove just like any other allegation of crime.
so if you haven't actually got any evidence to show that the act is broken why do you insist that these people attending the meeting is illegal??
The very first condition you have to meet is that the US citizens have to be there without "authority of the United States" - regardless of whether they are there for the betterment of mankind or any other purpose. Perhaps you could start by showing that any given US citizen was involved without "authorisation of the United States"?
If you are really so keen to show something nefarious has happened why are you not looking for some actual evidence???
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -Pascal
"It is very important not to mistake hemlock for parsley; but not at all so to believe or not in God" - Diderot
Curious . . . why do you think they meet?
"In short, Bilderberg is a small, flexible, informal and off-the-record international forum in which different viewpoints can be expressed and mutual understanding enhanced. Bilderberg's only activity is its annual Conference. At the meetings, no resolutions are proposed, no votes taken, and no policy statements issued. Since 1954, fifty-nine conferences have been held. For each meeting, the names of the participants as well as the agenda are made Public and available to the press."
"The expenses of maintaining the small Secretariat of the Bilderberg meetings are covered wholly by private subscription. The hospitality costs of the annual meeting are the responsibility of the Steering Committee member(s) of the host country."
http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/index.php
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The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
31 May-3 June 2012 Chantilly, Virginia, USA
- The State of Trans-Atlantic Relations
- Is Vigorous Economic Growth Attainable?
- The Future of Democracy in the Developed World
- The US Political Landscape
- The European Political Landscape
- A Conversation on US Foreign Policy
- The Politics and Geo-Politics of Energy
- Stability and Instability in the Middle East
- Imbalances, Austerity and Growth
- Sustainability of the Euro and its Consequences
- What Does Putin 2.0 Mean?
- What Can the West Do about Iran?
- How Do Sovereign States Collaborate in Cyber Space
- China's Economic and Political Outlook
http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/conferences-10s.html
The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
What is the above site? what a farce, "Bilderberg meetings" is not an official term, it's from the hotel where they met years ago, now theirs a website called bilderberg.org? LOL! and an official itinerary that is the most bogus thing I've ever seen, whats next the official Newworldorder.org website?
Every major Elitist shows up, and the list of those who attend is not "made available" to the public, the list of the attendees was leaked by a mole to a popular radio host, infact Old man Rothchild is quoted as saying how thankful he is that the press that were invited were quiet and didnt reveal their plans for world government.
The meetings are Treasonous every American that meets with these Globalist Scumbags should be arrested for Violations of the Logan act, but this thing is bigger than the authority of any U.S. court, they meet to strategise on how to institute a New Global Government with the U.N. being given a Dictatorship to rule every nation on the planet without the right to Sovereignty, Liberty, or Freedom.
So, technically, if I wrote a letter to the head of a foreign government asking them to not support something that the US officially supports, I'm guilty under the Logan Act?
No you would just be an idiot for asking something so idiotic.
You're quoting a very small portion of the entire law (18 USC Chapter 45 - FOREIGN RELATIONS). In its entirety, i believe the law is intended to prevent people from misrepresenting themselves as an official agent of the United States with full authority to negotiate on behalf of the United States.
A bunch of wealthy people meeting with a bunch of other wealthy people wouldn't violate this law.
Sounds like a wonderful chance for lobbying, influence peddling and private negotiating . . . gain a consensus and get the leaders of the western world to rubberstamp and implement an agenda without public scrutiny and interference . . .
The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
Well, cheeple, I was only basing it on what you posted as a reference. Perhaps you could explain how it doesn't meet all the requirements? No one authorized me to write a letter, it's a foreign official/gov, and I'm trying to influence them against the US. I must be guilty per your reasoning, correct?
Or...if as PCWilliams says...maybe it doesn't apply at all except as he said?
Hey....thanks to whoever for the new avatar!
Take a look at the list again it's not only "wealthy" it's also polticians from around the world including the NSA, Parliament, Prime Ministers, and central bankers.
As a quick analogy of what i mean ...
Suppose you walk into a car dealership. A dealership employee says "I'll can sell you that $40K car for $20K." You agree, shake his hand and, just as you're ready to turn over $20K, you come to find out the employee is not a salesperson, but a secretary with absolutely no authority to negotiate, or enter into binding agreements, on behalf of the dealership. The secretary is guilty of misrepresenting himself.
On the other hand, you walk into the same car dealership, the same secretary walks up to you, points at the same car and says, "I love this new line of cars, don't you? I love the new interior and the radio sounds awesome. Wouldn't you love to own this car?" The secretary has not misrepresented his authority. Has he maybe influenced you to buy the car? Sure. But he is not guilty of misrepresenting himself or his authority within the company.
According to Cheeple, if i were to picket outside a foreign embassy (and possibly influence their position Vis-à-vis the United States) i'd be violating this law. Ridiculous.
Very few politicians (which I've bolded in the list below). Certainly not enough to be setting some kind of global consensus. It's mostly executive and academics. Mostly different to last year.
http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/participants2012.html
Bilderberg Meetings
Chantilly, Virginia, USA, 31 May-3 June 2012
Final List of Participants
Chairman
FRA Castries, Henri de Chairman and CEO, AXA Group DEU Ackermann, Josef Chairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank AG GBR Agius, Marcus Chairman, Barclays plc USA Ajami, Fouad Senior Fellow, The Hoover Institution, Stanford University USA Alexander, Keith B. Commander, US Cyber Command; Director, National Security Agency INT Almunia, Joaquín Vice-President - Commissioner for Competition, European Commission USA Altman, Roger C. Chairman, Evercore Partners PRT Amado, Luís Chairman, Banco Internacional do Funchal (BANIF) NOR Andresen, Johan H. Owner and CEO, FERD FIN Apunen, Matti Director, Finnish Business and Policy Forum EVA TUR Babacan, Ali Deputy Prime Minister for Economic and Financial Affairs PRT Balsemão, Francisco Pinto President and CEO, Impresa; Former Prime Minister FRA Baverez, Nicolas Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP FRA Béchu, Christophe Senator, and Chairman, General Council of Maine-et-Loire BEL Belgium, H.R.H. Prince Philippe of TUR Berberoğlu, Enis Editor-in-Chief, Hürriyet Newspaper ITA Bernabè, Franco Chairman and CEO, Telecom Italia GBR Boles, Nick Member of Parliament SWE Bonnier, Jonas President and CEO, Bonnier AB NOR Brandtzæg, Svein Richard President and CEO, Norsk Hydro ASA AUT Bronner, Oscar Publisher, Der Standard Medienwelt SWE Carlsson, Gunilla Minister for International Development Cooperation CAN Carney, Mark J. Governor, Bank of Canada ESP Cebrián, Juan Luis CEO, PRISA; Chairman, El País AUT Cernko, Willibald CEO, UniCredit Bank Austria AG FRA Chalendar, Pierre André de Chairman and CEO, Saint-Gobain DNK Christiansen, Jeppe CEO, Maj Invest RUS Chubais, Anatoly B. CEO, OJSC RUSNANO CAN Clark, W. Edmund Group President and CEO, TD Bank Group GBR Clarke, Kenneth Member of Parliament, Lord Chancellor and Secretary of Justice USA Collins, Timothy C. CEO and Senior Managing Director, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC ITA Conti, Fulvio CEO and General Manager, Enel S.p.A. USA Daniels, Jr., Mitchell E. Governor of Indiana USA DeMuth, Christopher Distinguished Fellow, Hudson Institute USA Donilon, Thomas E. National Security Advisor, The White House GBR Dudley, Robert Group Chief Executive, BP plc ITA Elkann, John Chairman, Fiat S.p.A. DEU Enders, Thomas CEO, Airbus USA Evans, J. Michael Vice Chairman, Global Head of Growth Markets, Goldman Sachs & Co. AUT Faymann, Werner Federal Chancellor DNK Federspiel, Ulrik Executive Vice President, Haldor Topsøe A/S USA Ferguson, Niall Laurence A. Tisch Professor of History, Harvard University GBR Flint, Douglas J. Group Chairman, HSBC Holdings plc CHN Fu, Ying Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs IRL Gallagher, Paul Former Attorney General; Senior Counsel USA Gephardt, Richard A. President and CEO, Gephardt Group GRC Giannitsis, Anastasios Former Minister of Interior; Professor of Development and International Economics, University of Athens USA Goolsbee, Austan D. Professor of Economics, University of Chicago Booth School of Business USA Graham, Donald E. Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company ITA Gruber, Lilli Journalist - Anchorwoman, La 7 TV INT Gucht, Karel de Commissioner for Trade, European Commission NLD Halberstadt, Victor Professor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings USA Harris, Britt CIO, Teacher Retirement System of Texas USA Hoffman, Reid Co-founder and Executive Chairman, LinkedIn CHN Huang, Yiping Professor of Economics, China Center for Economic Research, Peking University USA Huntsman, Jr., Jon M. Chairman, Huntsman Cancer Foundation DEU Ischinger, Wolfgang Chairman, Munich Security Conference; Global Head Government Relations, Allianz SE RUS Ivanov, Igor S. Associate member, Russian Academy of Science; President, Russian International Affairs Council FRA Izraelewicz, Erik CEO, Le Monde USA Jacobs, Kenneth M. Chairman and CEO, Lazard USA Johnson, James A. Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC USA Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. Senior Managing Director, Lazard USA Karp, Alexander CEO, Palantir Technologies USA Karsner, Alexander Executive Chairman, Manifest Energy, Inc FRA Karvar, Anousheh Inspector, Inter-ministerial Audit and Evaluation Office for Social, Health, Employment and Labor Policies RUS Kasparov, Garry Chairman, United Civil Front (of Russia) GBR Kerr, John Independent Member, House of Lords USA Kerry, John Senator for Massachusetts TUR Keyman, E. Fuat Director, Istanbul Policy Center and Professor of International Relations, Sabanci University USA Kissinger, Henry A. Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc. USA Kleinfeld, Klaus Chairman and CEO, Alcoa TUR Koç, Mustafa Chairman, Koç Holding A.Ş. DEU Koch, Roland CEO, Bilfinger Berger SE INT Kodmani, Bassma Member of the Executive Bureau and Head of Foreign Affairs, Syrian National Council USA Kravis, Henry R. Co-Chairman and Co-CEO, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. USA Kravis, Marie-Josée Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute INT Kroes, Neelie Vice President, European Commission; Commissioner for Digital Agenda USA Krupp, Fred President, Environmental Defense Fund INT Lamy, Pascal Director-General, World Trade Organization ITA Letta, Enrico Deputy Leader, Democratic Party (PD) ISR Levite, Ariel E. Nonresident Senior Associate, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace USA Li, Cheng Director of Research and Senior Fellow, John L. Thornton China Center, Brookings Institution USA Lipsky, John Distinguished Visiting Scholar, Johns Hopkins University USA Liveris, Andrew N. President, Chairman and CEO, The Dow Chemical Company DEU Löscher, Peter President and CEO, Siemens AG USA Lynn, William J. Chairman and CEO, DRS Technologies, Inc. GBR Mandelson, Peter Member, House of Lords; Chairman, Global Counsel USA Mathews, Jessica T. President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace DEN Mchangama, Jacob Director of Legal Affairs, Center for Political Studies (CEPOS) CAN McKenna, Frank Deputy Chair, TD Bank Group USA Mehlman, Kenneth B. Partner, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. GBR Micklethwait, John Editor-in-Chief, The Economist FRA Montbrial, Thierry de President, French Institute for International Relations PRT Moreira da Silva, Jorge First Vice-President, Partido Social Democrata (PSD) USA Mundie, Craig J. Chief Research and Strategy Officer, Microsoft Corporation DEU Nass, Matthias Chief International Correspondent, Die Zeit NLD Netherlands, H.M. the Queen of the ESP Nin Génova, Juan María Deputy Chairman and CEO, Caixabank IRL Noonan, Michael Minister for Finance USA Noonan, Peggy Author, Columnist, The Wall Street Journal FIN Ollila, Jorma Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell, plc USA Orszag, Peter R. Vice Chairman, Citigroup GRC Papalexopoulos, Dimitri Managing Director, Titan Cement Co. NLD Pechtold, Alexander Parliamentary Leader, Democrats '66 (D66) USA Perle, Richard N. Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute NLD Polman, Paul CEO, Unilever PLC CAN Prichard, J. Robert S. Chair, Torys LLP ISR Rabinovich, Itamar Global Distinguished Professor, New York University GBR Rachman, Gideon Chief Foreign Affairs Commentator, The Financial Times USA Rattner, Steven Chairman, Willett Advisors LLC CAN Redford, Alison M. Premier of Alberta CAN Reisman, Heather M. CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc. DEU Reitzle, Wolfgang CEO & President, Linde AG USA Rogoff, Kenneth S. Professor of Economics, Harvard University USA Rose, Charlie Executive Editor and Anchor, Charlie Rose USA Ross, Dennis B. Counselor, Washington Institute for Near East Policy POL Rostowski, Jacek Minister of Finance USA Rubin, Robert E. Co-Chair, Council on Foreign Relations; Former Secretary of the Treasury NLD Rutte, Mark Prime Minister ESP Sáenz de Santamaría Antón, Soraya Vice President and Minister for the Presidency NLD Scheffer, Paul Professor of European Studies, Tilburg University USA Schmidt, Eric E. Executive Chairman, Google Inc. AUT Scholten, Rudolf Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG FRA Senard, Jean-Dominique CEO, Michelin Group USA Shambaugh, David Director, China Policy Program, George Washington University INT Sheeran, Josette Vice Chairman, World Economic Forum FIN Siilasmaa, Risto Chairman of the Board of Directors, Nokia Corporation USA Speyer, Jerry I. Chairman and Co-CEO, Tishman Speyer CHE Supino, Pietro Chairman and Publisher, Tamedia AG IRL Sutherland, Peter D. Chairman, Goldman Sachs International USA Thiel, Peter A. President, Clarium Capital / Thiel Capital TUR Timuray, Serpil CEO, Vodafone Turkey DEU Trittin, Jürgen Parliamentary Leader, Alliance 90/The Greens GRC Tsoukalis, Loukas President, Hellenic Foundation for European and Foreign Policy FIN Urpilainen, Jutta Minister of Finance CHE Vasella, Daniel L. Chairman, Novartis AG INT Vimont, Pierre Executive Secretary General, European External Action Service GBR Voser, Peter CEO, Royal Dutch Shell plc SWE Wallenberg, Jacob Chairman, Investor AB USA Warsh, Kevin Distinguished Visiting Fellow, The Hoover Institution, Stanford University GBR Wolf, Martin H. Chief Economics Commentator, The Financial Times USA Wolfensohn, James D. Chairman and CEO, Wolfensohn and Company CAN Wright, Nigel S. Chief of Staff, Office of the Prime Minister USA Yergin, Daniel Chairman, IHS Cambridge Energy Research Associates INT Zoellick, Robert B. President, The World Bank Group Rapporteurs GBR Bredow, Vendeline von Business Correspondent, The Economist GBR Wooldridge, Adrian D. Foreign Correspondent, The Economist
Every category you listed consists primarily of wealthy people. Name one Bilderberg attendee who is not a millionaire. Name one treaty, law, or formal policy of any nation/state that has come from a Bilderberg meeting.Take a look at the list again it's not only "wealthy" it's also polticians from around the world including the NSA, Parliament, Prime Ministers, and central bankers.
Actually...you are incorrect. The list of attendees is not "leaked"- it is freely available on their website:
http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/pa...ants_2010.html
"every major Elitist shows up" ?? What exactly is an "elitist"? is it just someone who is successful? or is in government? what exactly? So, there are only approximately 200 (the number of attendees) "elitists" in the World?
It is a private current events forum. Most attendees are one time only attendees. It is quite similar to the World Economic Forum in Davos only smaller and invite only. As Jozef Retinger- the founder of the Bilderberg group, clearly states in his memoirs "Bilderberg does not make policy. Its aim is to reduce differences of opinion and resolve conflicting trends and to further understanding..."
The Logan Act is to prevent individuals from negotiating on behalf of the US without authorization. No one has EVER been able to provide evidence that anything remotely in violation of this act takes place at Bilderberg.
Your last sentence just reads like a conspiracist's wet dream- I am curious though...How do you KNOW what is discussed at the meeting? How are you privy to their nefarious strategy?
Hmmmmm . . . Do you really think they would advertise one if they had. . . . ?????
The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
Who writes the laws and policy?? Most politicians don't read the legislation they sponsor . . . lobbyists, staffers, and lawyers write the darn things . . .influence peddlers . . . most politicians don't have a clue . . .Very few politicians (which I've bolded in the list below). Certainly not enough to be setting some kind of global consensus. It's mostly executive and academics. Mostly different to last year.
http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/participants2012.html
The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
really? Are you sure you are not making a broad generalization based on nothing more than pure speculation?
Sure it is speculation but based on personal experiences . . . take the health care bill for example, 2000 pages plus . . . even if you took the time to read it you couldn't comprehend its impact before you voted on it . . . this is not uncommon even at the state legislative level . . .
The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
It's kinda weird you do concede foreign politicians get together with the global private business sector.
What exactly is weird about it? They get together to discuss topics of mutual interest. That does not mean they are controlling the world. Look at who attends, are they the masters of the world? Really? Read the list.
I would have to concur, world government is of mutual interest to them all.
"World government" is not on their supplied agenda...
What evidence can you present that they discuss things other than what is on the agenda or discuss "world government" at all?
..I will ask again....How are you privy to their discussions?
Who then are the masters of the world???
The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
I have no evidence to provide as I have not been personally to a Bilderberg meeting, please dont ask that again, I concede that,
with that said I formulated my opinion based on the character and the quotes of the attendees, most noteably David Rockefeller
Please see these confirmed quotes for the global elite, they have an agenda to implement a new world order, this is a very small list of confimed quotes. Now that I've established they have a plan, they attend the bilderbeg meetings, that should satisfy the skeptics.
“…somebody has to take governments’ place, and business seems to me to be a logical entity to do it.” – David Rockefeller – Newsweek International, Feb 1 1999.
“Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
- David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 405
"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."
- Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference in Evians, France, 1991
"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
- David Rockefeller
"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years... It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
- David Rockefeller, Bilderberg Meeting, June 1991 Baden, Germany
"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so dependent on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from that class." - Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild
“Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws."
- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild
"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all."
- Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, Time Magazine, July 20th, l992
“…the world is governed by very different personages to what is imagined by those who are not themselves behind the scenes.” – Benjamin Disraeli – British PM – ‘Coningsby’ pub. 1844
“The Treaty of Rome, which brought the Common Market into being, was nurtured at Bilderberg meetings.” George McGhee, former US Ambassador to West Germany
This is just a small list, i could give you 10 a day for a year and never run out, it's obvious you put a bunch of the wealthiest and most powerful people in their field of expertise in the same room every year to discuss Globalism, New World Order, something they are all interested in placing on the masses. There's no room anymore to deny it, it's obvious.
Last edited by cheeple; August 15th, 2012 at 12:13 PM.
Well...I'm Master of my own Domain. That's probably not what you meant.
There are IMO no masters of the world. There are very rich influential people, always have been...always will be. Since they got rich the way things are now (or have been in the recent past)...why would they want to change anything?
Listen to Lindsey Williams he was the Chaplain on the Alaska Pipeline he befriended the elite, they told him it's no longer about money, they have more money than they will ever need 1000 Generations into the future stored mostly as Gold, now it's about Control thats the mindset of the elite. They are occultists who believe they have this "God given right" to rule over the serfs ( you and me). I would listen to Lindsey williams on YT "secrets of the elite".
Ok...that explains a lot........
Agreed. The problem with this conspiracy theory is one of scale. Look at the list, it's only a tiny fraction of the rich people in the world, and none of the top 1000 richest people. It's an even smaller as a representative of the business elite. How on earth are they supposed to set policy when there's hardly any of the elite there? Are the Koch brothers just going to go along with whatever Peter Mandelson and John Kerry agree to?
The world is not ruled by kings. There are a very large number of very powerful people who have a great deal of influence on world affairs. But individually, or in small groups like this, they don't rule the world. The world is a vast complex emergent chaotic system, largely unpredictable. The conspiracy theorists seem to feel more comfortable imagining it being ruled, rather than accepting the reality of emergence.
I think your getting your information on the top 1000 richest people from the Forbes list, lol, the Rothchilds run every Central Bank on the planet it's estimated they have HALF the planets money. The only man to stand up to them is Russia through Putin when he kicked out the Oligarchy for looting his Country, so to say the attendees are not the elite is completely wrong, and those who say are in the high hundreds of Millions and low Billions are the policy makers, it's a Symbiotic relationship with a common goal to take away the Sovereignty of every nation in the world, institute a New World Order, control the money supply, and the population.
So how many Rothschilds were attending? None? And three Russians? What's going on?
Even if its different people every year? Look at the lists for the last 3yrs...the vast majority of attendees did not return the following year...
Although, I am sad to know that Charlie Rose is an "elitist" as I have enjoyed his show for years...
lol - you think Putin kicked out the oligarches??
Get real - he only kicked out the ones who opposed him - and now he's looking for more support from them......
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -Pascal
"It is very important not to mistake hemlock for parsley; but not at all so to believe or not in God" - Diderot
Since my youth I have seen a consolidation of resources, food production, manufacturing, newspapers and media & entertainment outlets, medical services . . . being owned and controlled by fewer and fewer entities . . . this may well be a natural process . . . we are becoming a worldwide economic and social system . . . however, as in biological systems when diversity is limited to dominate (monocultures) species and others become extinct the stability of the biosphere becomes more fragile and subject to catastrophic failure . . . call it what you will. . . I call it a new world that is more dangerous and subject to greater control by fewer people . . . and more subject to failure . . .
Last edited by George B; August 15th, 2012 at 01:28 PM.
The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
I think there are people who think they would like to be the Masters of the World. . . I agree there are too many warring factions to accomplish such a feat . . . but those warring parties can cause much pain and suffering . . .
The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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