Contrails in Airline Advertising

[Mick]

As a complement to the pre-1995 contrails photos thread, this is the place to upload any instance of contrails seen in airline advertising. The older the better!

DC-8, circa 1959:

[Mick]

1964 - Another DC-8. Was the DC-8 the start of high altitude jet travel? They seem to be making something of the contrails:

[Mick]

Not an ad exactly, from 1961:

[Mick]

1957, Flying Magazine:

[George B]

Interesting how they promote the stratosphere . . . according to some here . . . they don't fly there . . . just saying . . .

[Mick]

Stratosphere was a bit of marketing buzz word. It starts at about 6-7 miles up (32,000 to 37,000 feet), round here, so many current high altitude flights are in the stratosphere:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratosphere

Content from external source:

Commercial airliners typically cruise at altitudes of 9–12 km (30,000–39,000 ft) in temperate latitudes (in the lower reaches of the stratosphere).^[2] This optimizes fuel burn, mostly thanks to the low temperatures encountered near the tropopause and low air density, reducing parasitic drag on the airframe. It also allows them to stay above hard weather (extreme turbulence).

Yet the Boeing 307 in 1938 was described as a "stratoliner", even though it only cruised at 20,000 feet, still well in the troposphere.

[GregMc]

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/153/43...32c3064a_o.jpg


http://farm1.staticflickr.com/131/42...0923b260_o.jpg


Birth of a jet promotional film:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_oC-ijfQkA

Boeing stratocruiser promotional film:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGtc8GelfM4 at 4:59 & 5:58
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fwp9Vheh8E at 0:23

boeing 707 promo film:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=p217RewRPsc at 7:32 &1:20
www.youtube.com/watch?v=heioZ_T78qw at 1:40

[GregMc]

http://www.adclassix.com/ads/57douglas.htm


http://cdn3.iofferphoto.com/img/item...4/928/uvMn.jpg

[Mick]

The DC-8 remaking geography sounds suspiciously like geoengineering

[Mick]

Here the artist seems unclear on the concept:



1983 Pacific Western Airlines:

[PCWilliams]

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[Mick]

Great images, thanks!

That Quebecair logo must have an APU

[PCWilliams]

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A great resource for these kinds of photos is ebay. Just do a search for "alirlines ad"

[PCWilliams]

Great images, thanks!

That Quebecair logo must have an APU

Give it time, conspiracists will link the logo to an evil secret society.

[Mick]

Give it time, conspiracists will link the logo to an evil secret society.

They already essentially have, as it's a Fleur-de-lis, associated with various of the more esoteric illuminati/NWO theories, including the Priory of Sion.

[Jay Reynolds]

[Jay Reynolds]

[GregMc]

As a minor digression, I think the last Boeing advert on Jay's post is actually an image of jato or rato (rocket assist takeoff).
It is a B47 medium bomber. The engines on them produced lots of soot and contrails anyway:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-1234S-011.jpg

Rato or Jato was developed largely by the Germans during ww2 to help launch heavy aircraft and the early jet planes quickly and used jetisonable liquid fuel rockets burning hypergolic fuel (explode on contact) C stoff and T stoff.
Atado264 blitz:http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/...-bomber-02.png
Me 323 Gigant: http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org...es/lrg1909.jpg
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org...es/lrg1908.jpg

The two hypergolic fuels are T-stoff: 80% Hydrogen Peroxide with 20% water and C-Stoff : 57% Methanol Ch3OH and 30%Hydrazine Hydrate N2H4.H2O and 12% water so the exhaust is little different to that of a jet engine, CO2 and water and nitrogen gas. The huge exhaust plumes from those German rocket packs are predominantly water condensation.

[Danny55]

They already essentially have, as it's a Fleur-de-lis, associated with various of the more esoteric illuminati/NWO theories, including the Priory of Sion.

And also that organisation who, for years, have tried to get kids out into the countryside looking at the natusal world (including clouds), the Boy Scouts.

[GregMc]

And also that organisation who, for years, have tried to get kids out into the countryside looking at the natusal world (including clouds), the Boy Scouts.

Mwahaha! The scouts, obvious training ground for the elites of totalitarian regimes. http://www.scouting.milestones.btint...k/swastika.htm

[GregMc]

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg28/...pg&res=landing


http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2659/4...ef4265f565.jpg


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...oflot_1939.jpg


http://i.ebayimg.com/t/AEROFLOT-SOVIET-AIRLINES-SIBERIA-SKY-vintage-old-brochure-prospect-/00/s/OTEyWDEwMjQ=/$T2eC16Z,!yUE9s6NGw)SBQISmCJU(w~~60_57.JPG


1973: http://eng.plakaty.ru/i/plakats/medium/1441.jpg


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Njeh1a2UrJA/Tb-iypI_M2I/AAAAAAAACkU/Xy1ToJ1ISqE/s1600/posters+sabena+boeing.jpg


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hFItPUwd2cA/Tb-ija7I9fI/AAAAAAAACkA/2GzWgB3hraQ/s1600/posters+air+france.jpg


http://aviatstudios.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/postImage_vintageAirlinePosters_aa2.jpg


http://www.dpvintageposters.com/cgi-local/db_images/posters/cache/4360-image-700-450-fit.jpg


http://www.moviemem.com/images/pictu...TASCANADAB.jpg


http://www.originalvintageposters.co...mages/137l.jpg

[Gunguy45]

Had to say...all these ads will just be evidence to the chemmies that the airlines are in cahoots with those responsible...and the ads are just a way of getting people used to seeing airliners leaving trails everywhere.

As to the Aeroflot pic.....looks more like an F-16 maneuver.

[PCWilliams]

1962 Pakistan International Airlines Ad

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[Mick]

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Hmm, what happend to these attachments? Looks like a bug.

[Unregistered]

Hi all, just wondering what exactly we're learning here. All I"m seeing is normal contrails produced from Jets as they always have. Although they might look like some chemtrails in the beginning, the great majority of them will just dissipate and evaporate. This is totally unlike Chemtrails which persist, spread and envelop the sky. Same thing with all the old movies with contrails in them. Not a single example of what we're seeing these days where sunny days turn into totally cloudy days within an hour or tow after being bombarded with traffic. Am I missing something?

[Unregistered]

Hi all, just wondering what exactly we're learning here. All I"m seeing is normal contrails produced from Jets as they always have. Although they might look like some chemtrails in the beginning, the great majority of them will just dissipate and evaporate. This is totally unlike Chemtrails which persist, spread and envelop the sky. Same thing with all the old movies with contrails in them. Not a single example of what we're seeing these days where sunny days turn into totally cloudy days within an hour or tow after being bombarded with traffic. Am I missing something?

Google Richard Scorer - Clouds of the World

[GregMc]

the great majority of them will just dissipate and evaporate. This is totally unlike Chemtrails which persist, spread and envelop the sky. .... Am I missing something?

Yes you are missing the fact that what you described are BOTH examples of normal characteristics of contrails.
Normal contrails can be short lived. Normal contrails can persist and spread and envelop the sky.
This has been a known characteristic for many decades.

How about you read this site in far more detail and have a careful read of the many threads to learn what normal contrails often do.

but these atmospheric science papers are a good start:

"The spreading of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent contrails exist from 25,000 to 40,000 ft, several long contrails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet."


from Peter Kuhn," Airborne Observations of Contrail Effects on the Thermal Radiation Budget" published 1970.
Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences Volume 27, Issue 6 (September 1970)


http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/...O%3E2.0.CO%3B2


“It is often observed that contrails spread considerably…Under favorable conditions, a lateral spread of kilometers is observed…If sufficient air traffic exists, an entire overcast of contrail cirrus may develop and persist for hours with rapid growth in the ice budget of individual contrails.”
http://cires.colorado.edu/science/gr...llenberg72.pdf

of this account from a book written in 1942/43:

Extract from ''Flight To Arras''
''The German on the ground knows us by the pearly white scarf which every plane flying at high altitude trails behind like a bridal veil. The disturbance created by our meteoric flight crystallizes the watery vapor in the atmosphere. We unwind behind us a cirrus of icicles. If the atmospheric conditions are favorable to the formation of clouds, our wake will thicken bit by bit and become an evening cloud over the countryside''.

[Jay Reynolds]

American Airlines has a new look, but their ad campaign is almost certain to be seen in a different light by the CT people, a way which the ad agency could never have even imagined:

[MikeC]

Yes - those chemtrails from the wingtips are proof positive that hte Royyal family is reptilian!

[Unregistered]

Yes you are missing the fact that what you described are BOTH examples of normal characteristics of contrails.
Normal contrails can be short lived. Normal contrails can persist and spread and envelop the sky.
This has been a known characteristic for many decades.

How about you read this site in far more detail and have a careful read of the many threads to learn what normal contrails often do.

but these atmospheric science papers are a good start:

"The spreading of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent contrails exist from 25,000 to 40,000 ft, several long contrails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet."


from Peter Kuhn," Airborne Observations of Contrail Effects on the Thermal Radiation Budget" published 1970.
Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences Volume 27, Issue 6 (September 1970)


http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/...O%3E2.0.CO%3B2


“It is often observed that contrails spread considerably…Under favorable conditions, a lateral spread of kilometers is observed…If sufficient air traffic exists, an entire overcast of contrail cirrus may develop and persist for hours with rapid growth in the ice budget of individual contrails.”
http://cires.colorado.edu/science/gr...llenberg72.pdf

of this account from a book written in 1942/43:

Extract from ''Flight To Arras''
''The German on the ground knows us by the pearly white scarf which every plane flying at high altitude trails behind like a bridal veil. The disturbance created by our meteoric flight crystallizes the watery vapor in the atmosphere. We unwind behind us a cirrus of icicles. If the atmospheric conditions are favorable to the formation of clouds, our wake will thicken bit by bit and become an evening cloud over the countryside''.

You're basing your opinions off articles, the latest one being from 1972?
Tell me, did they still think smoking cigarettes was healthy back then, also?

Contrails do not spread and envelop the skies like chemtrails do..

Contrails are made high up in the atmosphere, where there's not much air traffic to begin with..

Contrails are, scaled, inches long in the sky. They disappear about as fast as they are made. How is that going to spread?

[Mick]

You're basing your opinions off articles, the latest one being from 1972?
Tell me, did they still think smoking cigarettes was healthy back then, also?

Contrails do not spread and envelop the skies like chemtrails do..

Contrails are made high up in the atmosphere, where there's not much air traffic to begin with..

Contrails are, scaled, inches long in the sky. They disappear about as fast as they are made. How is that going to spread?

Can you provide any evidence to support that. It seems contrary to known science, and history.

[Unregistered]

No one is denying that there were persistent contrails in the past. To my knowledge there has been weather modification of some sorts going on for over a hundred years....

[Jay Reynolds]

No one is denying that there were persistent contrails in the past. To my knowledge there has been weather modification of some sorts going on for over a hundred years....

Oh, yes, they are. The entire premise of chemtrails is that before 1997 contrails did not persist. Argue with Russ Tanner if you like, he is one of the leaders of the modern chemtrail believer network. He cooperates with Michael Murphy and Dane Wigington. here is what he says:

Since the writing of my series of articles exposing contrails, multiple professional airline pilots have contacted me and thanked me for my stance against the contrail deception.

All of them told me personally that they have never seen trails come out of jet engines and that they appreciate my work exposing the disinformation about contrails. Every one of these pilots knew that contrails are so rare that most people will never see one in their lifetime, and if they do occur, they are at high altitudes that cannot be seen from the ground.

Those spreading disinformation about chemtrails would like nothing more than for you to believe that short, non-persistent plumes coming out of jets are harmless contrails. If they convince you of this, then you will ignore these plumes and allow them to spray you without objection, and this is exactly what they want.

They will tell you that they've seen contrails since they were children. They will tell you that contrails are scientifically proven to contain water vapor. They will tell you anything necessary to make you believe short trails are harmless. This is exactly how disinformation works.

Beware of those who claim that short plumes emitted by aircraft are "contrails".

The science is simple: Contrails only occur under conditions so rare that the vast majority of people will never see one in their lifetime. Furtheremore, these rare conditions only occur at altitudes too high to be seen from the ground.

http://globalskywatch.com/stories/my...trail-con.html

Take your argument to Russ Tanner or his buddy Dane Wigington. They are producing the bunk, not us.
We have provided sufficient factual information here. Clean out your own barn.

[Cairenn]

There is a HUGE difference in cloud seeding and geoengineering.