Michael J. Murphy's most recent

[Mick]

Sure. Also you might want to ask about the "Upper Ski Bowl" sample, as it get brought up a lot. This pic explains the problems:



Note that on the previous interview, at around 6:20, Francis Mangels mentions this sample, he's asked if there's anywhere else the aluminum could have come from, and he says "no". Obviously he's totally ignoring the fact that if the snow is dirty, then it will have aluminum in it, as dirt is 7%+ aluminum.

Here's the relevant audio clip, it's at about 6:30 in the original

http://metabunk.org/audio/Francis-Ma...r-Ski-Bowl.mov

[tryblinking]

Here's MJM's next video appeal for attention:

This is a video of my latest visit to Maui Hawaii one year after the filming of “What in the World are They Spraying?” After interviewing many farmers and residents, I found that chemtrail/geoengineering programs are on the increase and are continuing to negatively affect eco-systems and human health. During my trip, concerned residents of Maui got together and started the Blue Sky Ordinance, which if passed, will ban aerosol spraying from geoengineering programs above the island. Please watch, share and spread this important message.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-0XEQP3igk

I've sent those questions to carol, so we shall see/hear (or not as I suspect).

[tryblinking]

She has replied with a simple:

I invite you to call in during the show tomorrow. The call in number is 1 (877) 497-5892

I'm in Norway, so calling the show for a lengthy joke with MJM and GEG isn't worth my money.
However, I entreat someone (or many people) to call in from the US to the show.
It's on May 18th - tomorrow - at 2:00pm (MT), at www.foodintegritynow.org

[Jay Reynolds]

Ok, I was the first caller and gave Michael J. Murphy & Co. an earful.
Mr. Murphy, please drop me an email, we have much more to discuss.
I actually know much more about the chemtrails hoax than you ever will.
You only stand to benefit by understanding exactly how wrong you are,
and what you will be up against as the case builds against you.
You are getting yourself deeper and deeper into a position where backing
off in the face of facts which refute chemtrails will ruin you in the eyes of everyone.
Take the blinders off and hang with people who don't agree with you a little more.
You may not like what you hear, but you may just learn something. I have......


Jay Reynolds
http://goodsky.homestead.com/files/index.html

[Jay Reynolds]

Here are some of my recollections of my call-in on the show:
I called in at the start of the show and must have gotten in line first, and was able to listen to the program on the phone. The first part was a rehash of chemtrails bunk. G. Edward Griffin(GEG) addressed a question by Susan Wright about how they respond to debunking. This was an open question, no specifics were asked including the specific questions Mick and tryblinking sent here:
http://metabunk.org/threads/71-Micha...full=1#post510

Instead of addressing the real questions above, GEG used the 'straw man' about aluminum from skis at ski bowl on Mt. Shasta. He also mentioned that we were being picky. Very poor job there, Food Integrity Now, you showed little integrity here when you requested people to write in questions and don't ask them! But really, it's just your own integrity that you lost when you allowed bunk to take root and flourish.....

After an eternity during which I had to leave to attend other business, I returned and was put on the air just before a break. I mentioned:

- that Francis Mangels had stated on a previous show that there was no source of Al, Ba, or Sr in the Mt. Shasta area that could account for what they found in the snowpack sample. I mentioned Mick's point about how they took the sample in July from dirty snow.
http://metabunk.org/threads/71-Micha...full=1#post512

-Then I told them all they had to do was google strontium Mt. Shasta and they could see that the andresite lava that formed the mountain contains high levels of all three elements. At that point, MJM knew he was in trouble and tried to take over the conversation. I didn't let him.
Note: this metabunk thread is now on the page when you make that google search- (hee-hee-hee)

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&h...5e40e76836756c

- MJM tried to say that he had "thousands" of samples, but I responded by mentioning that the Mt. Shastanews had reported that local tests showed None or trace amounts of aluminum.
http://www.mtshastanews.com/news/x11...-in-area-water

- MJM tried to say that the test above had only tested tap water, but the article clearly shows a photo captioned "No aluminum was detected at the Mount Shasta city park headwaters, shown", and states, "• City Park headwaters - Not detected".

-At that point MJM knew he was REALLY getting in trouble and tried the diarrhoea mouth again, and I had to interrupt him for one last question.

-I asked him whether or not the purpose of geoengineering was to increase the aerosols in the atmosphere, and if so, were they increasing? I answered my own question by mentioning that the fact is that atmospheric aerosol thickness has been in steady decline, it has not increased:
http://metabunk.org/threads/111-Hist...gineering-quot

-MJM insisted that aerosols were increasing and he had "thousands" of tests showing it.
He said that no one disputes that aluminum oxide has raised soil PH.
I responded that aluminum oxide was inert, then he agreed with me that it was but then claimed it was reactive.
I said inert is the opposite of reactive.

- By this time it became obvious to Carol that MJM was losing it, and she called for a commercial break.

I hope my recollections were accurate, and also hope that they will provide a podcast. I had other business to attend to and wasn't able to hear the rest of the program. They were actually polite and no one blew up, but if we went at it like that for another 15 minutes someone probably would. I would like to see a real debate format show where some time without interruption can be shared, and no one can simply run out the clock to avoid answering questions or avoid a response. All in all, I enjoyed the experience and hope that others saw some light.

I would have loved to suggest that MJM ask his network of groupies to start telescopic photos to identify the planes, but guess that'll have to be another show......
http://metabunk.org/threads/100-14-Y...nd-Suggestions

Jay

[tryblinking]

this was sent out yesterday, so I assume its happening today (I get a little mixed up with all these time zones)

Tune in to Coast to Coast with George Noory tonight between Midnight and 2:00AM Pacific time for a discussion about chemtrails/geoengineering and the production of "What in the World are They Spraying?"

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/upcoming

[Mick]

Fixed your thumbnail there.

Yes, one huge thing they ignore is the vast amount of testing that is done - especially on the water supply.

[Mick]

That sounds like it must have been interesting. It's a pity you have subscribe to download the coast-to-coast shows. Anyone got the audio?

[MikeC]

Fixed your thumbnail there.

Yes, one huge thing they ignore is the vast amount of testing that is done - especially on the water supply.

although oddly the California Skywatch site has links to water testing in Marin County, Ca, that is done on a daily basis & shows very occasinal spikes in the amount of aluminium in the water there.

theymake a half-hearted attempt to create something out of it by mentioning that dates are missing from summary reports....but otherwise the testing shows no problems whatsoever - seems liek an "own goal" really.

[Mick]

I suspect those spikes will correlate with rainfall.

[Stupid]

Hmmm, I see the blogtalkradio podcast here:
http://foodintegritynow.org/2011/05/...-revealed-e41/

and here....

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/fintegr...rails-revealed

Can't anyone else ?

BTW, I posted two follow-up comments on the blogtalkradio podcast, and they are assuming I am Jay.

[Mick]

Yes, I'm just listening to it. Good work Jay.

[tryblinking]

Here's a 6 part interview MJM just sent out:

This is a youtube of my interview on Coast to Coast w/ George Noory. Please watch, share and spread!!!!

Parts 1 through 6.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8iKb...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2ukr...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzLi5...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAyVo...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRnD0...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PoZT...eature=related

[Jay Reynolds]

Alfalfa and grazeland grasses dominate there for farming and herding, and these levels of PH seem fine for that. I have tried hard to find some farming report in that area that noticed an abnormal change in pH levels....but it seems "farming as usual" there.

Actually, California leads the nation in cannabis sativa prduction, with some disputable estimates that it could be the largest cash crop in the state. Much of the production is from Humboldt, Trinity, and Siskiyou counties.
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=...tm_format=wide
http://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr2/domstprod.html



"Medical marijuana recommendations" are availabe by telephone from doctors in California.
I saw an advertisement on the Mt. Shasta News website yesterday showing smiling people supposedly after obtaining such a recommendation.

Besides old hippies and others growing a few plants in their backyard, there is an increasing amount grown by cartels on national forest lands. It is being mentioned in the Shasta/Yreka Siskiyou county newspapers.
http://www.katiearnoldi.com/marijuan...in-california/

One could speculate that the situation could account for the odd beliefs of a small minority of people in that particular area!

[Mick]

That 61ppm figure was NOT from the EPA, it was the summer snow sample from Francis Mangels:
http://contrailscience.com/files/USF...ShastaSnow.pdf
The other figures are also taken from this test.

These elements are apparently oxides on micron-sized flakes

That based on the assumption that source of the aluminum is the David Keith's proposal for self-levitating micro-disks of aluminum

http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/4207

Disks which would be visible under a reasonably powerful microscope, and hence don't exist.

[tryblinking]

I know I'm stupid to even ask, but I assume no one is claiming to have actually used a microscope and found such a thing?

All in all, it looks like they are worried about contaminated outlier sample results and are worried about substances which are not hazardous to health, and none of which have had any experimentally verifiable effect on the either the local/national agricultural environment or the atmosphere as a whole (which would of course be the point).

Happily this leads us to one conclusion.

As their whole argument seems to hinge on the public's interests in health and environment, it's now obvious that Michael J Murphy has been outed as a clear source of metabunk, if ever there was one.

[Mick]

"metabunk" isn't super-bunk, it's about bunk. As in discussing bunk. He's more a source of megabunk.

[Mick]

I know I'm stupid to even ask, but I assume no one is claiming to have actually used a microscope and found such a thing?

And no, I don't think anyone has even thought to look. MAybe they see the 50 nm thickness, and think it's a nano-particle, so invisible. But it's 10um wide, which is one tenth the diameter of a human hair. Invisible to the naked eye, but easily visible at optical level magnification.



Here's some microscope images with a 10 um scale, so you can see what's possible with a medium powered microscope.

[Mick]

Too much MJM to fit all in one thread. I've started another for the Shasta court case:

http://metabunk.org/threads/131-Mich...-Shasta-county

[tryblinking]

indeed, megabunk. Thanks for the examples- I had no real sense of the minuteness of 10 um. I havn't had chance to watch that 6 part interview, nor listen to the foodintegrity show yet, but I'm sure I'll enjoy hear a good trouncing from Jay.

[Unregistered]

Just listened to the podcast, about 28 mins in. You had him on the ropes there but afterwards he just dismissed you as a denialist. However, someone has left a message on the podcast page confirming the google link and confirming that the snow in July is dirty, plus the wildfires.

Dannyc55

[Stupid]

That was me replying.....their board assistant said "he could find no such link" when doing a goolge search for.....[ "Mount Shasta" strontium ]
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...&aqi=&aql=&oq=
...it is the very first result (as of 5/2011, and during the live podcast).

I've been hiking in the eastern sierra high country...and trust me, the residual July snow is dirty, not for eating or melting/drinking (must filter it + boil to be safe).....especially if it's part of the permenant snowpack on the cold side of the mountain.
BTW....if they test the runoff from old snow...even glaciers, they may be actually testing years old history...maybe even prior historic eruptions + it's ash fallout.

[Mick]

I've separated out the Shasta geological and sampling info from this MJM thread into a separate thread, so it can be used a better reference for debunking. I think the photos of the region the day before the samples were taken pretty much seals the deal with the Ski Bowl sample.

http://metabunk.org/threads/137-Shas...Aluminum-Tests.

[Unregistered]

Hawaii's Blue Sky Watch might be a good thing as I would expect identification of aircraft creating contrails to be one of the main aims.

[tryblinking]

Brilliant. I'm certain the AOT data is the clearest, most scientifically sound, most verifiable, peer reviewed and accepted evidence against the entire chemtrail hoax to date. The hoax centres on more aerosols which is synonymous with an increase in the AOT. This has not happened, so chemtrails' claims are not true.

The inertness of aluminium oxide, the wide assortment of geographical and biological test results all within expected ranges and the impurity of the chosen snow samples are all great evidence against, but if I'm ever asked about the subject, it seems obvious just to lead with the reduction in AOT, as the opposite is the hoax's first and foremost claim.

[MikeC]

You linked to this site in the OP - http://www.coalitionagainstgeoengineering.org/

Did you notice the order forms?

Next time someone suggests debunkers are being paid - point them to the income stream MJM & GEG are getting from commercialisation of chemtrails!

[Jay Reynolds]

The Reality Zone is producing a documentary that explores the murky world of stratospheric geo-engineering, commonly called chemtrails. The title of the program is: What in the World Are They Spraying! and we can tell you with confidence that it will be one of the most important programs you will ever see. There are plenty of dramatic video clips of chemtrails on the Internet, and your innate intelligence tells you that what you see in the sky with your own eyes is not caused by mere vapor trails from jet aircraft, but no one yet has probed the questions: WHO is doing this and WHY. All of that is about to change. We are working with two young journalistic film makers, Michael Murphy and Paul Wittenberger who already are far advanced in the development of this incredible story.

http://web.archive.org/web/201006190...om/angels.html

ITEM 1
According to G. Edward Griffin, the stated goals of WITWATS is to show "WHO is doing this, and WHY".

I have watched the movie, and am certain that it says the WHY is stratospheric geoengineering.

The question of WHO, however, may not have been answered. Does anyone here who has watched the movie
know of anywhere where it actually states WHO is doing this? Is there a name, an organization, or an entity of any kind named in the movie? I'd like to know what you think about this.

ITEM 2
MJM stated to me that he has "thousands" of test results. I have not found a repository for thousands, not hundreds, or even a dozen.
Does anyone know the sum total of actual tests which are publicly available? I am trying to get a full accounting of each and every test of any kind put forth so far.
Anyone know?

Jay

[Jay Reynolds]

In this interview comes a statement by MJM about how WITWATS came about:

S101: How far into this project were you when G. Edward Griffin came on board?

MM: We were about a third of the way complete when G. Edward came on board. It was interesting; Paul and I actually went to his house to interview him on a different issue when I decided to ask him about the chemtrail/geoengineering agenda. After the interview, it became clear that we all shared the same deep concerns about this issue. G. Edward had asked me to send an outline of the film and stated that he might be able to help us with funding. About a week later after receiving the outline, he offered to help and ran a funding campaign. Within two days we hit our funding goals.

http://www.suite101.com/content/chem...emiere-a298789

From The Wayback Machine comes the answer behind the funding of WITWATS.
web archive from REALITYZONE.COM page owned by G. Edward Griffin
==================================
Angels wanted for
WHAT IN THE WORLD
ARE THEY SPRAYING!

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BE AN ANGEL
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NOT THE HOLLYWOOD TYPE
We need angels, too, but not the Hollywood type. We are not looking for one or two tycoons to invest millions of dollars. We are seeking a hundred-or-so average-income donors to provide an amount approximately equal to what they routinely pay for sixty day's of cable service. For this, they will receive a copy of the exclusive "Angels' Edition" of the program, which will be the first edition released and will be given only to those who contributed, so it definitely will be a collector's item. Each copy will be autographed by me, Michael Murphy, and Paul Wittenberger. In addition, the names of all donors (whether they are individuals, families, or business enterprises) will appear on screen in the credits at the end of the program under the heading: "Funding Angels."

That is our "deal." We cannot offer an investment for profit. Our goal is to create a highly important documentary that corporate media does not want the public to see. Reality Zone angels must be motivated by a passion for freedom and have an abundance of spirit. In other words, they must be the real thing.

CHERUBS, TOO
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WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE THEY SPRAYING! is scheduled for release in October, provided we can obtain $24,000 to complete the job. That goal can be met if only 120 Zone Dwellers become Funding Angels by donating $200 each. That sounds like a realistic goal to us. I hope you agree. If you are looking for something meaningful to do in this battle against collectivism but are unable to spend time in organizational work, here is a way to make a huge difference. Thank you.

"Although I only live on government handouts, sending that donation was one of the best things I've done for humanity, and I will enjoy giving the DVD to Caroline Lucas, MP of The Green Party here in Brighton who has done nothing but ignore us. All the very best, and my utmost respect."
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[tryblinking]

Good luck Jay- is there some kind of official legal register where labs state what they have been testing over the course of months or years? Perhaps not, but I would assume they keep their own records on the nature of their public tests, possibly available on request. Essentially you might end up going "door to door".

[Mick]

Someone has been collect a bunch of them here:

http://www.google.com/search?q=alumi...m+filetype:pdf

[tryblinking]

Here's MJM's latest today:

This is an e-mail about a news report that was sent to me from another activist. Please watch, share and spread!!!


In case you missed KMIR Channel 6 story on chemtrails, here it is. Please understand that Christina (the writer/reporter) went out on a limb to do this story. Yes, there is more that she needs to do and I believe she is dedicated to the truth, as hard as it is to imagine. If we contact the station and let them know we are interested and appreciate the coverage of this issue, then they will let her continue and do a couple follow-up stories. If not, they may not give her another assignment on this subject. Since this is a current issue, I ask each of you to contact KMIR asap and thank them for the story. We need to do this while it is running. Thanks SO much. Melanie - will send the contact number right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTI2Ynr9rxM

KMIR Web site and contact information: http://www.kmir6.com/

[tryblinking]

I've just re-listened to that food integrity interview, and noticed the laughter during Jay's call, very unprofessional all round. The entire exchange makes me quite angry.

Mainly I hate that they purposefully set up an environment completely hostile to serious discussion. They achieved this by a swift analysis, not of the contrary evidence, but instead focused on the tactics of logical disagreement. After that, anyone who logically disagrees is immediately lumped into this evil group, tagged with their sinister agenda, and disregarded. It obviously didn't help that the one piece of easily verifiable evidence - the strontium Shasta Google search - was botched on air by the incompetence of the program's 'board assistant'.

Of course these are serious claims about the global atmosphere and climate, and anyone who was serious about them would talk to qualified atmospheric scientists immediately. MJM and GEG have avoided respected mainstream scientists at every point in their hoax.

As far as I can see the only crime against humanity taking place here is that these snake-oil peddlers get air-time and exposure without evidence, while members of the scientific community - representing more than 120 years of peer-reviewed atmospheric science - are sidelined and ignored.

MJM seems to love living in this 'dawn' phase; constant claims that there is not long to wait, a turning point is around the corner, that the free thinkers of the world are finally awake and united behind the backs of an evil global government, that evidence is mounting and soon the case will be made in public, but crucially that the time is not right yet. As long as The case is not made in a public forum, like open court or some such, the flimsy hearsay and pseudoscience will remain unexposed, and his bank balance will remain healthy.





No one pays better than paranoid jingoistic Americans, begging to be part of the revelation.

[tryblinking]

Finally stations are running stories on why Chemtrails is a hoax. But as expected, MJM is not a happy bunny.
Fellow activsts,

In an apparent attempt to cover the truths that that are now becoming so apparent to many, Tucson’s KOLD Chief Meteorologist Chuck George did a hit piece on chemtrail/geoengineing programs. Please take a moment to e-mail and call him and the news director Michelle Germano (e-mails and phone number below) and let them know that we will not tolerate this deceptive propaganda that is being used to protect the programs that are so damaging to nature and humanity. Last time we did this the station begged us not to call anymore which makes it very difficult for them to repeat these types of bogus stories. Thanks for your interest and support in exposing this crime against nature and humanity and remember that we have power to change this only if we exercise our power. Please remember to be professional in your response. Also, due to the large amounts of e-mails that I have been receiving, I ask that you send your responses and qustions to this action to activist Chris Haskell: [email protected]. Thanks again for your support in our efforts
Link to Story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1M0p...layer_embedded
Please e-mail and call:
Main phone 520-744-1313 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 520-744-1313 end_of_the_skype_highlighting
KOLD news Director is Michelle Germano: [email protected]
Chief Meteorologist Chuck George e-mail is : [email protected]

The more people call in, the more the station thinks it's a story with controversy and ratings, so hopefully they'll run even more of the same.

[Steve]

http://www.meetup.com/environment-391/ Chance to meet MJM and his friends today.

[Mick]

They picked a good day for it. There's a nice halo round the sun, and some lingering contrails. Good Photo Ops.

[Ross Marsden]

Brilliant!
BTW, I e-mailed a message of support to Michelle Germano and Chuck George at KOLD.

[Ross Marsden]

Brilliant!
BTW, I e-mailed a message of support to Michelle Germano and Chuck George at KOLD.

And I got a reply...

from George, Chuck [email protected]
to Ross Marsden <[email protected]>
date Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 4:36 PM
subject RE: Chemtrail Special Hit-Piece: GOOD WORK - MAKE AND SHOW MORE LIKE THAT
mailed-by kold.com

Thank god there is one sane emailer out there! Thank you!

Happy Weather!

Chuck George | First Alert Chief Meteorologist | KOLD News 13 | 7831 N Business Pk Dr| Tucson, AZ | 85743 | 520.744.5252 |
email | Twitter | Facebook | Bio
See Tucson's ONLY Streaming Radar !

[tryblinking]

Apparently MJM's now harassing unsuspecting commuters too...

Fellow Activists,

Our bannering on 6-3-11 was a great success as several activists showed up for our first freeway bannering at the Palms 405 overpass. Public support was incredible as thousands of motorists beeped their horns to show support of our efforts. We are making progress in waking people up to these crimes against nature and humanity. Please watch, share and spread this important video!!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZr0hqAjJIs

[Mick]

I suspect a lot of the those people beeping were just like "Dude! Check out those crazy chemtrail people! Beep them!"

That overpass is just a couple of miles from my house.

[Steve]

Air-conditioner guy was my favorite. He's protesting because he thinks that "Chemtrails" are having a detrimental affect on his air-conditioning buisness because they are causing too much cooling. It's both sad and funny at the same time.