Still nothing to debunk, except to say that the paranormal, by definition, lies beyond the realm of science. Perhaps you have evidence that ghosts are a phenomenon of quantum mechanics? ESP is a manifestation string theory?
Still nothing to debunk, except to say that the paranormal, by definition, lies beyond the realm of science. Perhaps you have evidence that ghosts are a phenomenon of quantum mechanics? ESP is a manifestation string theory?
Last edited by Trigger Hippie; October 18th, 2012 at 08:52 AM.
That was probably true before the uncertainty and variability introduced into science by the implications represented by colliding membranes and interaction with multi-universes or parallel universes, etc. . . . these uncertainties can lead to unpredictability and non-reproducible phenomenon . . . the paranormal is now allowable . . .Originally Posted by Trigger Hippie
The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
Apologies, I edited my post before you reply. You may want to read it again.
No, nor do I have any solid evidence that M-Theory exists except for mathematical formulas . . . but I have thousands of years of human testimony that the paranormal exists and by logical extension think along with some scientists that such a connection exists . . .
William A. Tiller, Ph.D. is a professor emeritus of Materials Science and Engineering at Stanford University.[1] He is also the author of Science and Human Transformation, a book on esoteric concepts such as subtle energies, beyond the four fundamental forces, which he believes act in concert with human consciousness. Tiller appeared in the 2004 film What the Bleep Do We Know
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_A._Tiller
Books
The Science of Crystallization: Macroscopic Phenomena and Defect Generation, Cambridge University Press, 1991, ISBN 978-0-521-38828-3 [1]
The Science of Crystallization: Microscopic Interfacial Phenomena, Cambridge University Press, 1991 (reprinted 1995), ISBN 978-0-521-38827-6 [2]
Psychoenergetic Science: A Second Copernican-Scale Revolution, Pavior Publishers, 2007, ISBN 978-1-4243-3863-4
Some Science Adventures with Real Magic, Pavior Publishers, 2005, ISBN 1-929331-11-8
Conscious Acts of Creation: The Emergence of a New Physics, Pavior Publishers, 2001, ISBN 1-929331-05-3
Science and Human Transformation: Subtle Energies, Intentionality and Consciousness, Pavior Publishers, 1997, ISBN 0-9642637-4-2
Foreword to Matrix Energetics: The Science and Art of Transformation, Atria Books, 2007, Richard Bartlett ISBN 978-1-58270-163-9
Last edited by George B; October 18th, 2012 at 09:20 AM.
The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
Ok, if I understand this, you believe anecdotal evidence somehow connects bleeding edge theoretical physics to ghosts and other assorted woo. Despite three pages of spooky hand waving and half baked notions of multi-dimensional quantum mysticism there's still nothing to debunk.
And if you believe that I guess you have done your due diligence . . . have a good day . . .
The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
I am not the only person to make the possible connection . . .
String Theory, Universal Mind, and the Paranormal *
Brian D. Josephson
Department of Physics, University of Cambridge
Cavendish Laboratory, Madingley Rd, Cambridge CB3 0HE, U.K.
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10
http://arxiv.org/html/physics/0312012
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10
ABSTRACT
A model consistent with string theory is proposed for so-called paranormal phenomena such as extra-sensory perception (ESP). Our mathematical skills are assumed to derive from a special ‘mental vacuum state’, whose origin is explained on the basis of anthropic and biological arguments, taking into account the need for the informational processes associated with such a state to be of a life-supporting character. ESP is then explained in terms of shared ‘thought bubbles’ generated by the participants out of the mental vacuum state. The paper concludes with a critique of arguments sometimes made claiming to ‘rule out’ the possible existence of paranormal phenomena.
Last edited by George B; October 18th, 2012 at 10:32 AM.
The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
The concept of the paranormal and physics has been popularized as well . . .
http://www.squidoo.com/parallel-universes
The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
His concluding remarks responding to criticism amount to hand-waving apologetics.
any subject matter can be "a scientifically valid research subject" - "scientifically valid" means following a braod set of procedures, and applying a certain system of logic to reach a conclusion
It has nothing whatsoever to do withthe subject matter.
You aer free to conduct "scientficially valid research" into pink unicorns, robot cats, chemtrails, god, ghosts, ESP or quantum mechanics.
And when you have used valid technique to obtain some data you can apply valid analytics to the data to come up with a valid conclusion.
The "trouble" with doing thsi for paranormal stuff, god, esp, pink unicorns, etc., is that the data you get from valid collection techniques is such that the only valid conclusion you can reach is "there is no scientific evidence that this (these) exist"
And when that is the result of repetitive iscientific investigations into such topics, people rightly say "It's not worth bothering with unless you do have somethign actually new to look at".
What you seem to be saying is that quantum physics, multi-verses and dimensions constitute something new to look at.
And you may be right. But "a valid scientific research subject" wil not start with the presumption that various paranormal "things" can be explained by such - it will start with "let's see what we can find out about quantum physics, multiverses and dimensions" - if that then results in an explaination for something paranormal then that is well and good.
But starting research hoping it wil show that these "explain" or "allow" the paranormal is nto a valid scientific method in the first place.
Therefore, insofar as "real" scientists are investigating all these things to establish if they exist and what their relationship and interactions with "our universe" actually are, there IS "valid scientific research" going on that will provide evidence linking these with the paranormal - if there is any such evidence to be found.
but hat research is being done in CERN, in the offices of theoretical mathematicians an the like - not on the 'net by enthusiasts or in highly publicised experiments for hte purpose by people who are generally charlatans.
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -Pascal
"It is very important not to mistake hemlock for parsley; but not at all so to believe or not in God" - Diderot
Seems there are other options to do research other than at CERN and in the inner offices of theoretical mathematics . . .
we are in the data collection stage . . . not in the design and experimentation stage . . .
IMO paranormal events are unpredictable and not reproducible so usually defy any research attempt requiring such traits . . . however, this doesn't preclude research based on data collection and descriptive categorization as is common in cultural anthropology and primatology . . . one needs to first collect descriptive testimony and correlate it possibly with environmental data as in chronobiology . . . for example the Federal Reserve found a stastically valid correlation between solar storm activity and transaction activity on the securities market . . .
We now have massive data collection and analysis capabilities never before realized . . . we need to be more imaginative in how to capture and describe the events and look for commonalities, trends, and correlations of location, date, environment, relationships, genetics and so forth . . .
In other words . . . standard research approaches are not likely to be successful until more is understood on how the interaction of membranes and multi-universes work but descriptive collection and categorization of paranormal events and data analysis may lead to surprising relationships . . .
Last edited by George B; October 18th, 2012 at 05:15 PM.
The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
Of course there are other options for research than CERN et al - my point is that what they are doing in the halls of advanced "serious" science is where the basis of any links will be initialy determined.
"Standard research approaches" WILL be successful in finding the data that is there to be found. They are standard precisely because they are the best way of finding data. your examples ARE all standard research approaches!!
Your condemnation of them as "not likely to be successful" seems to presuppose that "success" means they will establish that paranormal/mystical stuff does work through multi-verses, etc - and that presupposition is why your approach is not science.
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -Pascal
"It is very important not to mistake hemlock for parsley; but not at all so to believe or not in God" - Diderot
I disagree . . . the only thing I am implying is all existing approaches (over decades of investigation) used to find reproducibility and predictability in paranormal events has been unsuccessful so different approaches as I have suggested are in order . . . I suspect a possible reason for such difficulty is . . . paranormal events may follow multi-dimensional behavior, other explanations my simply be their behavioral rules are hidden in plain sight just like the example of plant genetics . . . just requires more patience and hard work . . .
The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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