They release chemicals (usually using flares, not exactly "spray") INTO existing clouds for cloud seeding, to make them precipitate more efficiently. Cloud seeding doesn't create clouds.ok... lets get back to it... DEBUNKERS vs me... all by myself again...
lets agree that they spray clouds for weather manipulation? can we agree on this?
They release chemicals (usually using flares, not exactly "spray") INTO existing clouds for cloud seeding, to make them precipitate more efficiently. Cloud seeding doesn't create clouds.
I suggest that you stop jumping around from point to point, and try to at least acknowledge this one point. You keep trying to conflate cloud seeding with "chemtrails", but it's not the same thing - and none of the images and articles you're posting say that they are.
View attachment 1828DEBUNK THIS...
I used the old studies of rats getting cancer from sacchrine as a reference to the fact that OLD studies are relevant to new studies... even when lobbyists pay for the study to reverse the findings...
"A short review on Geo-engineering proposals to fight against climate change"
Jean-Pierre Chalon
Météo-France, Toulouse, France
Making more reflective clouds
The reflecting power of a cloud is a function
of its droplet concentration. A higher concentration
corresponds to a stronger reflection of the solar
energy. Thus, the clouds developing in polluted
areas better prevent the ground from solar radiation.
Their high concentrations in droplets are due to the
presence of numerous aerosols, providing support to
the condensation of water vapour.
Conversely, because of the low number of
aerosols, clouds over oceans have far less droplets.
One could then consider increasing their reflective
power by seeding them with hygroscopic nuclei.
Measurements also highlight that, in the
track of the ships, the clouds often have higher
droplet concentrations than clouds observed in the
surrounding areas. This perspective seems to be
rather interesting since low clouds such as marine
stratocumulus regularly cover about one-quarter of
the ocean surface.
Ok, so is this better de-bunker?Actually no, that is a misrepresentation.
"A short review on Geo-engineering proposals to fight against climate change"
Jean-Pierre Chalon
Météo-France, Toulouse, France
Making more reflective clouds
The reflecting power of a cloud is a function
of its droplet concentration. A higher concentration
corresponds to a stronger reflection of the solar
energy. Thus, the clouds developing in polluted
areas better prevent the ground from solar radiation.
Their high concentrations in droplets are due to the
presence of numerous aerosols, providing support to
the condensation of water vapour.
Conversely, because of the low number of
aerosols, clouds over oceans have far less droplets.
One could then consider increasing their reflective
power by seeding them with hygroscopic nuclei.
Measurements also highlight that, in the
track of the ships, the clouds often have higher
droplet concentrations than clouds observed in the
surrounding areas. This perspective seems to be
rather interesting since low clouds such as marine
stratocumulus regularly cover about one-quarter of
the ocean surface.
Debunking is your game... I get it. Ok... again I direct you to as mentioned NUMEROUS TIMES... "Contrail science, it's impact on climate and weather manipulation programs conducted by the united states and its allies.pdf"
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Did I say you deny it or did I say: Please note: This video contains many images, the ones that have aircraft images in them show 100% Aircraft equipment, the de-bunkers tell me the cylinders are full of water, they also say the contrails are harmless and contain no chem-trail residue. They also say cloud seeding is common place and again, completely harmless to every living thing on earth. They claim Geo-engineering is myth ... you decide....No. Did we deny cloud seeding?
"A short review on Geo-engineering proposals to fight against climate change"
Jean-Pierre Chalon
Météo-France, Toulouse, France
Making more reflective clouds
The reflecting power of a cloud is a function
of its droplet concentration. A higher concentration
corresponds to a stronger reflection of the solar
energy. Thus, the clouds developing in polluted
areas better prevent the ground from solar radiation.
Their high concentrations in droplets are due to the
presence of numerous aerosols, providing support to
the condensation of water vapour.
Conversely, because of the low number of
aerosols, clouds over oceans have far less droplets.
One could then consider increasing their reflective
power by seeding them with hygroscopic nuclei.
Measurements also highlight that, in the
track of the ships, the clouds often have higher
droplet concentrations than clouds observed in the
surrounding areas. This perspective seems to be
rather interesting since low clouds such as marine
stratocumulus regularly cover about one-quarter of
the ocean surface.
"A short review on Geo-engineering proposals to fight against climate change"
The Charged Aerosol Release Experiment (CARE) was conducted by the Naval Research Laboratory and the Department of Defense Space Test Program using a NASA four-stage Black Brant XII suborbital sounding rocket. Using ground based instruments and the STP/NRL STPSat-1 spacecraft, scientists will study an artificial noctilucent cloud formed by the exhaust particles of the rocket’s fourth stage at about 173 miles altitude.
A proposal to reduce the amount of aerosols in a cloud to make it more reflective? You keep failing to understand - cloud seeding does NOT create clouds. Sure, it affects existing clouds, but it does not create new ones.
still no one answers this document here.. I guess it was overlooked?
still no one answers this document here.. I guess it was overlooked?
The CARE research was initiated with a sub-orbital sounding rocket to create noctilucent clouds at over 170 miles in altitude. The experiment had nothing whatsoever to do with cloud seeding, geo-engineering or tropospheric condensation trails produced by airplanes.
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/wallops/CARE.html
The experiment happened, so what? In fact, there have been several other high altitude rocket experiments to study a variety of aspects of the atmosphere "at the edge of space". The bunk involves the duplicitous conflating of those experiments with cloud seeding or geo-engineering.
wait, your saying the planes that create "con"trails eventually fade away and create NO NEW clouds what so ever! lol. Wow... when I see completely blue skys not a cloud in the air, and I see jets stream a plume of harmless "vapor" (your words not mine- I believe they have chemicals in the condensation)
are you saying they eventually don't create clouds? That when I spend hours at the beach looking at the chem, sorry "con"trails, they just up and poof go away like steam? That the clouds that stay in the sky and leave long wielding streaks for hours and hours and spread apart masking the entire sky right before my eyes is NEW clouds blowing in the wind? Sorry... do my eyes tell me lies? Do I not see this every day, the spreading out of those vapor trails? The persistent lingering of clouds masking A PERFECTLY clear blue sky... right after some jet creates those CONtrails?
wait, your saying the planes that create "con"trails eventually fade away and create NO NEW clouds what so ever! lol. Wow... when I see completely blue skys not a cloud in the air, and I see jets stream a plume of harmless "vapor" (your words not mine- I believe they have chemicals in the condensation)
are you saying they eventually don't create clouds? That when I spend hours at the beach looking at the chem, sorry "con"trails, they just up and poof go away like steam? That the clouds that stay in the sky and leave long wielding streaks for hours and hours and spread apart masking the entire sky right before my eyes is NEW clouds blowing in the wind?
Sorry... do my eyes tell me lies? Do I not see this every day, the spreading out of those vapor trails? The persistent lingering of clouds masking A PERFECTLY clear blue sky... right after some jet creates those CONtrails?
John Massaria said:wait, your saying the planes that create "con"trails eventually fade away and create NO NEW clouds what so ever! lol. Wow... when I see completely blue skys not a cloud in the air, and I see jets stream a plume of harmless "vapor" (your words not mine- I believe they have chemicals in the condensation)
are you saying they eventually don't create clouds? That when I spend hours at the beach looking at the chem, sorry "con"trails, they just up and poof go away like steam? That the clouds that stay in the sky and leave long wielding streaks for hours and hours and spread apart masking the entire sky right before my eyes is NEW clouds blowing in the wind? Sorry... do my eyes tell me lies? Do I not see this every day, the spreading out of those vapor trails? The persistent lingering of clouds masking A PERFECTLY clear blue sky... right after some jet creates those CONtrails?
"We often said that we created weather over Europe. They would persist for many hours, maybe days. " - Willard Reese- 457th Bomb Group
wait, your saying the planes that create "con"trails eventually fade away and create NO NEW clouds what so ever! lol. Wow... when I see completely blue skys not a cloud in the air, and I see jets stream a plume of harmless "vapor" (your words not mine- I believe they have chemicals in the condensation)
John,
In your video Dane Wigington says that the sun has been dimmed by geoenginering which he claims is happeing when he sees "chemtrails". That would be expected if geoengineering were taking place. The whole idea of geoengineering began when it was noticed that the eruption of Pinatubo caused a dimming of solar transmission through the atmosphere. Dane knows all about what I am going to shw you here, because I sent him the information, but he has withheld this from you.
The facts are that scientists have been making measurements of solar transmission for many decades. Their results clearly show what happened during eruptions, but look and see that these perturbations were temporary and that a steady-state level soon returns. Look here at what geoeneginering would look like, and see for yourself that geoengineering is not taking place:
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Joh, the lies have got to stop. You could be helping people instead of continuing the deceptions. People need to know that Dane Wigington refuses to face the facts, and hides them from those he intends to ensnare into his delusion. He knows that if folks find out that there is no basis for his claims, they will rightfully reject him. You should reject him because the foundaton of what he is telling you has no basis. He is lying and so far you have been helping him. You need to do the right thing and pull your support for his man.
John Massaria said:John wrote:
"Solar radiation management could be used to offset some or all anthropogenic radiative forcing, with the goal of reducing some of the associated climatic change"
ok... so I'm almost there... next one should wrap up my point... thanks for answering that one... perfectly... wish you admitted that from the start... now its just matter of "what the heck are they spraying now isn't it?" back to square one.... and my final post... seriously this has to end soon, its been fun and all but not that much fun... last one below...NO! Nobody said that contrails can't create contrail induced cirrus clouds. We're saying that CLOUD SEEDING does not create clouds, it only increases condensation nuclei, thus hypothetically increasing the number of droplets in air that already has enough existing moisture in it to produce rain. It still hasn't been scientifically proven that it can increase rainfall by 10-15% as claimed.
Since classified documents are not my forte or do I have access to them, I will use the "There are no drones" and then "oh wait, yes their are drones, it was just classified and we couldn't tell you..." or "there is no MK Ultra Program", and then "oh wait yes there was a MK Ultra Program- but it was classified"... as my final example of why this debate will go no where...
as long as clouds stream and stay in the air longer than a vapor cloud would, people like me say these programs are real... the satellite images say "CON"trail, I say its just a con... condensation doesn't cover the sky for that long... we all know they theorize and talk publicly about Geo-engineering but ITS ALL "TALK"... we aren't really doing it (wink wink).... (again- "just like there was no drones, now oh oh wait there were drones, but it was classified")... as long as there are "talks" and papers on spraying and shielding us from the sun radiation in hopes to prevent overheating and a global extinction event from the future... I believe they are exactly the same thing- classified.
I like that, they aren't sacharrine... thank goodness... and thank goodness you ACCEPT they create clouds that cover the sky... thanks we could have ended there...In 1980, it was realized that over the US, ordinary water vapor contrails from planes happening to fly along could increase cloudiness. None of this is intentional, none is poison, none is metal, lead, or even sacharrine, none is geoengineering, none is intenional clud seeding, it is just water vapor frozen into clouds.
as long as there are "talks" and papers on spraying and shielding us from the sun radiation in hopes to prevent overheating and a global extinction event from the future... I believe they are exactly the same thing- classified.
condensation doesn't cover the sky for that long... we all know they theorize and talk publicly about Geo-engineering but ITS ALL "TALK"... we aren't really doing it (wink wink).... (again- "just like there was no drones, now oh oh wait there were drones, but it was classified")... as long as there are "talks" and papers on spraying and shielding us from the sun radiation in hopes to prevent overheating and a global extinction event from the future... I believe they are exactly the same thing- classified.
You can believe what you want. You get into trouble when you start asserting belief as fact.
And condensation doesn't cover the sky for that long? I'm sure you've witnessed enough overcast days to know this is a bogus claim? I live in the Northern Plains, John - we can have stretches of 3-4 days alone in the winter that are completely overcast. And guess what - overcast skies are just a lot of condensation.
ok... so I'm almost there... next one should wrap up my point... thanks for answering that one... perfectly... wish you admitted that from the start... now its just matter of "what the heck are they spraying now isn't it?" back to square one.... and my final post... seriously this has to end soon, its been fun and all but not that much fun... last one below...
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These are covering the sky... and they come from planes... we established this... I guess your point is what they are made of is WATER and no toxins and I SAY its classified and even you don't know... unless you have access to Classified Docs. If a total extinction level event is on the horizon, im sure that is classified too... and preventative measures would again be classified.
Why are you dodging my questions about this graph, John?
Does it threaten you?
It is just a graph, and either you see the signs of geoengineering, or you don't.
Don't dodge the question.
I've asked three timesin the past 30 minutes.
If you won't answer it looks like you are afraid of the graph.
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I am busy putting up more relevant data... catch up to me...sources (documented, with links and discussion):
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/11...bunks-quot-Chemtrails-are-Geoengineering-quot
John, what do you say?
Nothing to fear.
John,
In your video Dane Wigington says that the sun has been dimmed by geoenginering which he claims is happeing when he sees "chemtrails". That would be expected if geoengineering were taking place. The whole idea of geoengineering began when it was noticed that the eruption of Pinatubo caused a dimming of solar transmission through the atmosphere. Dane knows all about what I am going to shw you here, because I sent him the information, but he has withheld this from you.
The facts are that scientists have been making measurements of solar transmission for many decades. Their results clearly show what happened during eruptions, but look and see that these perturbations were temporary and that a steady-state level soon returns. Look here at what geoeneginering would look like, and see for yourself that geoengineering is not taking place:
View attachment 1827
Joh, the lies have got to stop. You could be helping people instead of continuing the deceptions. People need to know that Dane Wigington refuses to face the facts, and hides them from those he intends to ensnare into his delusion. He knows that if folks find out that there is no basis for his claims, they will rightfully reject him. You should reject him because the foundaton of what he is telling you has no basis. He is lying and so far you have been helping him. You need to do the right thing and pull your support for his man.