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@folly4 BTW, I updated my post to roughly show where the Tic Tac was according to Dave Beaty I have also seen the following reports on where the Tic Tac was: From the AATIP report: SCU Report:

@folly4 I think to push forward with the missile idea, you need to find some evidence that the Tomahawk version in question can fly to higher altitudes. Probably needs it to be able to go to 15k feet at least. Basically needs to be able to do a decent altitude According to Dave Beaty. this...

@folly4 The issue though is the cruise altitude of the tomahawk, I don't see any references of it going higher than 164-300 feet. The object Fravor encountered supposedly went much higher Here are the other missile ranges BTW, they are in red below:

The issue I had with the missile theory was why it would fly around the disturbance in the water. Loitering capability now makes perfect sense as to the answer to that question. The only issue I have now with the theory is why would the Loitering Tomahawk go above it's noted flying cruising...

Thanks, that is very interesting .

I know this is repeating the point, but if you read the testimony by Douglas Kurth. And the timing of his fly over, circling and heading off as the disturbance cleared when he looked back. Marry that with the disturbance also clearing according to Fravors testimony when he looked back after...

Here is a great source of links to UAV and UAS military papers etc. The UAV and UAS roadmaps are particularly interesting https://fas.org/irp/program/collect/uav.htm

I have a document that lists the total number of different types of exercises they conducted each year in the SOCAL Range Complex It references two documents (I think we want the FY05 one) that may have the details of the exercises conducted the year we are interested in . But I cannot find...

For what it's worth, along with David Kirk the USS Louisville sub commander. I also contacted the then director of SCORE. She replied , but all I got from her about the incident was: "I don’t have any information on the sighting". I did reply and asked if she knew anyone I should talk to that...

I contacted Kirk. He replied , but as soon as I asked about the Tic Tac incident, I got the internet equivalent of someone hanging up the phone - lol

For information sake, here is a failed russian missile launch and what it looks like. It's interesting that it tumbles. Dietrich described tumbling I wonder what somehting looks like that goes haywire for a bit but then sorts itself out Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11QlVfGbQ9o

That report had the only mention of Haze being present. Everyone discounted it because of that, saying the witnesses all said it was a perfectly clear day and no one mentioned haze. And then Mick asked Alex and she confirmed there was Haze

Well, at least we are learning something in all this We will all be NAVY, and F/A-18 system experts by the end of this :)

Yes, and an interview where he was asked if he was consulting to the UAPTF and gave a very sheepish answer. Basically saying h wasnt at liberty to answer

I can relate to the mis trust of DR's due to bad experiences. I had a girlfriend who was in a lot of pain daily. She complained to doctors for a long time and they just told her it was stress/anxiety. Finally after a long time she got one to take her serious and they did exploratory surgery...

Things the UAPTF report needs to show but which I doubt we will get 1) Who is in the UAPTF 2) What scientists + contractors did they use Included in this, I'd like to see if Elizondo, Eric Davis, Puthoff or Bigelow and co have been involved. 3) References to studies on each case...

I've said it before, I find it hard to believe there was no optical footage. I think they did see that, either before or after the IR footage in the GIMBAL video. That's an assumption of course. Hard to imagine the WSO didn't at least look at the zoomed optical feed

Not sure the X-47B would be doing ECM (although I'm sure it could be fitted to do so), maybe I didn't explain it properly. NEMESIS is a system of assets that work together to perform a task. It could be the X-47B is doing the ESM and the other small drones the EW jamming/spoofing otherwise...

I think given the WSO/Pilot calls it a drone in the GIMBAL video. It's less likely to be a f/A-18 and more likely to be, well, a drone As Ryan Graves said, apparently it was part of a fleet where the rest comprised of much smaller objects. This was one of the clues pointing to it being part of...

I'm sure. But that's all there is on it's stealthiness. I have looked for any info on anything mentioning concealing the heat from the engine, couldn't find anything. I think it was only stealth in regards to radar, and not anything to do with concealing heat from the engines which are pratt...