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@Leonardo Cuellar , changing course or not to intercept Gimbal, we don't know in which direction the F18 was flying. Coming back to the carrier does not mean going west. The carrier could have been north of where they did their air-to-air mission. So we cannot know with certainty the wind...

Here is the trajectory that keeps the horizon in the FOV at 10 NM, from above (left), and from the horizontal (right). G1 to G5 are points of the trajectory at 0'01, 0'11, 0'21, 0'31, 0'34. Like @Edward Current , I retrieve that the object would have to climb, reverse direction, in a weird U shape.

You're correct @Leonardo Cuellar , the trajectory above is seen from below. Here it is from above, right to left, as expected. As far as your second remark, both an UAP before the LOS and a plane after the LoS could go to the west, against the wind. We don't know exactly in which direction the...

I'm starting a new thread to share results from my 3D model for Gimbal, now that I have more objective and accurate results. Please disregard my previous thread when I say I thought the clouds were much closer, I put too much interpretation in visuals when Geogebra 3D does not seem be accurate...

In case it interests anybody, I've added a sphere for clouds to see where the LoS intersect a certain cloud height. It's fun because for a certain scenario of the Gimbal (or plane) trajectory, it can be adjusted very precisely because at PT1, only LoS1 can intersect its surface (for the...

The clouds seem to go down in the FOV by 1/8FOV, ~0.05deg. Meaning the pod looks 0.05deg higher at the end. I apply this data in my LoS, going from -1.82deg elevation at PT1, -1.77deg elevation at PT4. This gives a slightly curved trajectory for Gimbal at 10Nm (PT1), that rises by 480ft. The...

It's not what I'm doing. I use 4 points and 3 radius circles to estimate the trajectory. I use the trajectory from this 2D model, that I refined over last months using work from people here, especially you and Markus. https://www.geogebra.org/m/p4zhvaaf I think it is a pretty accurate...

No worries at all @Mendel

My concern is that you base all your reconstruction on the clouds, but we know very little about them except for what we see on the screen. You assume they are perfectly flat, but little relief in the clouds can make some difference on a 0.35FOV. I played again with my 3D Gimbal model, that...

@Mendel , I'm going to be honest, I'd prefer it to be a UFO because it would open a whole new world of possibilities if such discovery was made. Yes, it's exciting. I don't get why you guys are so afraid of that possiblity. That doesn't put me in the Qanon-type category (this is insulting). My...

I agree the clouds are useful, but we don't know how they were that day. What height are your clouds, in each scenario ? Btw, do you plan on sharing your model at some point, so anybody can play with it ? I understand if not, just asking.

These U-ey trajectories are assuming constant distance from the F18 right ? If it was in front of the LoS interesection, the object probably didn't stay at the same distance all along (we in fact see it grow in the video). It's hard to visualize without seeing you model, but isn't this just the...

Don't say that too loud, or you're going to excite curiosity from the UFO community. What you say sound like a 4D object moving in a 3D space. Maybe you don't know it but you are making the first scientific study on the displacement of flying saucers :p

I listened to R. Grave interview again, it's fascinating : Source: https://youtu.be/8R34a9_sRKQ?t=687 In several occasions, they saw the physical object behind the radar signals though. The "cube in a sphere" sounds like GoFast, cold and stationary. He explains they had a hard time to pick...

In Gimbal, we see the cloud details though. The image is not blurry like this one.

@Mendel , you're the man ! Thanks a lot for taking the time to do this. This is so much better than my rushed schematic of yesterday. Now I see more clearly that the radius of the circle does not affect so much the FOV/s close to 0 Az. It's just changing the time when it occurs. As Edward said...

As I'm trying real hard to convince myself this is a plane, I found this chart : https://schweisshydraulicdoors.com/airplane-size-chart.php It gives wingspans for a variety of planes. Looking at the glare size for a 30Nm object: Don't you think we should see at least a small signature of wings...

That's cool. It makes the cloud relief much more apparent. And you finally found the Atlas Rocket!

Thanks for checking, I'll fix that.

This is very well put and I'm glad that you intend to present it that way, so that people can make up their mind on which scenario is more probable with all data in hand. I agree that it is also a coincidence that a straight leveled trajectory can be found behind the close-scenario trajectory...