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I think science does not work in terms of probability, but repetition. If you discard any unusual observation because it does not match what's "probable", you'll miss a potential repetition in unusual events, that will eventually lead to a new discovery. I really don't get how you can be so...

Please let me know if I get that right : - the fact that the glare does not rotate with the horizon (jet banking) is inconsistent with a physical object, but consistent with a glare. - we see it when the plane banks at various points of the video. The glare does not rotate...

Are there IR video examples of "steps" in a Gimbal rotation? Or evidence this is typical of a pod rotation ? Mick you already explained me that this is to avoid long periods of rotation, but seeing it would be so compelling. And an example of an IR glare that perfectly keep its shape during a...

I see that now, thanks.

FLIR is not a glare right? It's an IR signature of a physical object. Here the question is not whether we see the true shape of the object, rather if it is its IR signature, or just a glare. The fact that the objects stays the exact same shape while rotating, at the end when seen under the same...

I understand your point, but between 1L and 1R both the pod and plane rotate (bank). So I would expect the glare to rotate more than the background, but it seems to perfectly follow the whole image rotation.

I'll put this out there, I know it will be unpopular, but we're here to exchange ideas after all, you make what you want out of it. I've been watching the rotation section of the video in repeat, and I think both sides of the argument may be right here. Meaning there is an artificial rotation...

Maybe it's been discussed before, but what's going on at 0'29 ? Here the glare seems to rotate with the bank angle and the background. This is the only time when I see light patterns in sync with the rotation, but it happens to be when the whole image rotates with the glare. That's the part...

Haha this is my PC at work, my Ubuntu version gave me trouble when updating. But it works for what I need to do so I leave it as is. Not against updates in general though

Thanks Mick, did what you said and I had an error. After installing the newer version of Chrome it works. I'll play with your simulation later. And thanks for all the details above, it is really helpful to understand what you're doing.

Not that I know. I am on Linux, I will try later on my laptop.

Thanks @Mick West , but I cannot open https://www.metabunk.org/gimbal/, it gives me a blank page. Tried in Firefox and Chrome. Maybe it's just me.

I'm playing with the Python script, it'd be good to recognize the uncertainties in this model. Here I'm simply switching the calculation of pitch and bank rotation in the code : The model predicts the Gimbal roll starts at ~15' and has a more gradual buildup. But the glare only rotates at 24'...

Yes the model is based on the values we have on the screen : azimuth, bank angles, elevation (constant -2deg). What I understand is that the model takes these values and estimate the pitch rotation of Gimbal (based o AoA), then the yaw rotation (based on bank angles), and this allows to retrieve...

Catching up with this, I was looking at Markus code and wondering what are the justification behind some of the calculations. When estimating the roll of Gimbal, based on its pitch (AoA) and yaw (bank angles), you first calculate the pitch rotation, then yaw, and retrieves the roll. It seems...

Good luck explaining a 20m IR glare with a drone

That would mean tracking a plane far away from behind is something unusual then. I don't know, when I imagine training I suppose they try the ATFLIR on various targets, close and far. I have absolutely no knowledge of military operations but I feel like in a combat situation 30 Nm is not super...

How could it be uncommon if IR glare is inherent to an ATFLIR system ? They are puzzled before it makes any rotation, so it seems it is an UAP to them just by the look of it on the FLIR image. If IR glares such as this are common, why are they puzzled ?

Thanks @Mick West , I'm still on the fence as it is hard to know how these videos really compare to the ATFLIR from a Super Hornet. I find it strange that such high-tech targeting pods would give you a big IR glare when tracking a simple plane, to the point that you are completely confused and...

What blows my mind is that after 4 years we still cannot have a definite answer to this simple question : are fighter pilots familiar with this kind of glare obstructing aircrafts in their ATFLIR targeting pod ? We are stuck with endless speculations based on 3-4 videos, under different...