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It's easy to call them nothingburgers, less easy to demonstrate what they are, i.e. the 20-page long threads that are still ongoing

Debunked in the sense that you think a conventional, earthly, explanation for the footage is credible. Example, Gimbal is a distant plane, GoFast is a ballon , ... From all I've read on this forum, I am personally not convinced by the glare-from-a-jet hypothesis for Gimbal, or the distant jet...

I'm curious about the general opinion on this. I originally came to this forum after the 60 Minutes show on these Navy reports, doing some research and hearing they had been debunked. After spending a lot of time to read the discussions here, and analyzing the videos myself, I don't think any of...

Not sure I follow your argument, sorry if I miss something. From this calculator, a object at 8 Nm could be seen with an angle of -1.6°, and supposing it stays at the same altitude, be seen with an angle of -2.3°after the distance being reduced to 5.5 Nm. Both measurements would be rounded to...

Thanks marcus, very helpful. I made a new version of my model with the "carefully picked times", using the corresponding average rate of turn and time of flight between them (taken from your data, #117) to retrieve the plane trajectory, and matching the refined camera angles you have. The small...

Quick complement on my previous comment : adding a 5th point in the model (considering the trajectory for the last 4 seconds, 0'31 to 0'34, and an azimuth of R7°), its line of bearing (green dotted line) is very close to the line of bearing of point 4 (pink dotted line), consistent with the...

Why would the object have to move steadily. In his statement Ryan Graves mentions the objects stops towards the end of the video (when it supposedly rotates). His words : "Meanwhile, the ‘Gimbal’ object that was following behind them suddenly stopped and waited for the wedge formation to pass...

Well what I meant is that we have the readings directly on the screen, i.e. it's not retrieved indirectly from something else. Of course there must be uncertainties due to instrument, but who knows what they are. I assume there are not huge because we are dealing with high military tech. But I...

Yes I'd like to try that. Could you give me the values of the azimuthal angles you get in your Matlab code after smoothing ? What you get in those lines at 1, 11, 21, 31. This way I can compare with the exact same azimuth angles you have. Thanks for sharing your code ! azdf =...

I looked at your previous posts, first you found similar lines of bearing than me (#100). But it seems you have a pre-assumption that these lines should be parallel, and the object being distant, so you discard it as being erroneous, while a close trajectory in fact matches your data. You get...

Thanks for the graph Cassi O, it's very useful. That makes sense, small differences in trajectory have large impacts on the lines of bearing. I checked, I can reproduce your parallel lines of bearing with a RoT a PT2 of 1.7, and a RoT at PT3 of 1.9. My problem is these RoT are too small compared...

Cassi O, I compared your plane trajectory with mine, they align very well. I overlay them using this online tool, the rendering is messy but we clearly see my Points 1 to 4 are on the same trajectory as yours. There is no uncertainty on the camera angles at those points (just have to read the...

How crazy would that be that these guys lock on a bird or balloon (GoFast), and then freakout on Venus just a moment later (GoFast/Gimbal being the same flight) :D Or this all just a huge fake coming from inside the military. On your second point, not sure if we'll ever have more data for these...

Thanks, I'll have a deeper look into that and how it compare with my results when I have a moment.

Venus is very hard to believe for me as the amount of bullshitting/incompetence/dishonesty (choose the one you like) would be immense coming from military personals. Put that in perspective on this description of the Gimbal event : Source...

We seem to have good agreement in the rate of turn, but our lines of bearing look quite different : https://www.geogebra.org/classic/vb5qg3vf I don't find them parallel at all, and in my model no plausible trajectory for Gimbal is possible beyond roughly 20-25 Nm. How can we be that much off ...

https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf

It looks a little like this one : Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fx4FSe42pM&t=14s Shouldn't a long exposure make a trail, rather than successive individual dots ?

Yeah I suppose so. What's interesting is that he describes the object stopping towards the end of the "chase", and that's consistent with the geometry, in that that the final lines of positioning seem to converge, but the first one does not.