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A light moves in quite an interesting way. All I know is what's in the YouTube description (Pocono Mountains, Pennsylvania on 11/20/20). Drone? Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Uw93PoQ-50&t=0s&ab_channel=Mycul

The tree that's in the photo. If they were that close to the fence - which surely they'd have to be if that's the spot - then how is the branch in the picture?

Sorry, I don't get that: seems to me if you were close to the fence, low on the ground, and looking up somewhat you'd have the top of the fence and just sky: But then there's the question of where's the tree?

Something that struck me while watching the latest "went to hypothetical location" video is how far the trees are from the fence: Source: youtu.be/v7S8M-WKe9c?t=150 Now of course it's possible that: a) that's not the right spot; or b) there were trees closer to the fence that are no longer...

Weird: another guy went there last week and did the same thing and neither of them made an attempt to recreate the low angle of the original photo - ie, showing the top of the fence but no countryside. I wonder if someone else will go and it'll be third time lucky. ;) One striking thing though...

PS A little over two weeks ago I became the oldest person ever to 'maxout' on NES Tetris. It was pretty cool.

You think? Lindsay described them as "holiday workers" and said they'd driven their car to Calvine. "Young" seems to be about the best estimate based on what we've heard.

But now we're saying "what is there to support the idea that they were 18?"

Had a quick look in DEFE 24/1940 and found at least one case where a child had been named. So I think it's safe to say some of the redacted details are of people who were born in/around 1976 and were unrelated to the Calvine incident. Also got confirmation from David Clarke that the opening...

I guess he's talked to a lot of people in the area, visited places, put up flyers, posted in local online groups, etc.

He says not at the Atholl Palace Hotel. It was posted some days ago. I was thinking more along the lines of "how do you become a trained chef at 13?" rather than "can I legally work in a kitchen at 13?" ;) And certainly back in 1990 people wouldn't have cared too much about those sorts of...

Even today it's legal to work part-time at 13 in the UK, and would have been back then too. Chef, though? I doubt it. And given Clarke says he's talked to their work colleagues I would think he would know if they were actually a child. Also: If the age of an adult data subject is not known...

Going by the above, the "18 in 1990" would seem to be in doubt. (The 2072 quoted there comes from the Scottish Sun article rather than the official files.)

Indeed. And if we follow the link provided on the page on Pope's site where Duke found that "quote" it doesn't say anything about how many witnesses' identities are being withheld (ie, whether one or two or more): The redactions you will see in the open version all cover personal information...

I hope not, and it certainly wasn't my intention. I definitely don't think that. Very much agreed. Well why on Earth didn't you say something while the edit window was still open? ;)

That's all I was addressing. That and the fact that his story has changed; that he's given contradictory accounts; that it's mostly speculative; and that the clear inference from that is that he actually doesn't know where it went or why it was taken down (detailed here). Anyway, let's all just...

No he doesn't. Whoever wrote that says "his head of division removed it". You've got to admit, it's kind of peculiar that you would write something, be challenged on it, and then point to two sources to back it up - neither of which agree with what you wrote but rather agree with the challenge...

Some more on what Pope said happened to the Calvine poster that was on his office wall: The Scotsman (2009): "Somewhere along the line the photo disappeared, but I have no idea whether it was genuinely misplaced or whether it was treated as something we shouldn't have seen and put through a...

I'm hearing rumors that Charlie isn't a "he". ;) Pope also said: "Somewhere along the line the photo disappeared, but I have no idea whether it was genuinely misplaced or whether it was treated as something we shouldn't have seen and put through a shredder."...

Question is: how is any of that relevant to an explanation/debunk of what the photo shows? How is anything Nick Pope says relevant given that he hasn't had any new information in almost 30 years and keeps changing his story? And what difference does it makes whether Pope saw a copy of...