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  1. Rory

    Claim: Original Calvine UFO Photo

    Can you post as a comment please rather than an attachment? Just ctrl+v the twitter url. That's not really what happened though is it? Doesn't Clarke say he at first didn't even let them handle the picture, and only gave it to them on a subsequent visit? Also that he didn't mention it at...
  2. Rory

    Nick Pope

    Ah, this may be the definitive "official" word: BACKGROUND NOTE Norman Baker MP is the Liberal Democrat MP for Lewes Constituency, East Sussex and is the Liberal Democrat Shadow Environment and Rural Affairs Secretary. He has not written to the MOD about Unidentified Flying Objects before. It...
  3. Rory

    Nick Pope

    Nick Pope bio on this literary agent's website: Nick Pope worked for the British Government for 21 years, at the Ministry of Defence. In the course of his career he served in a wide variety of posts, but is best known for work that he did between 1991 and 1994 when he ran the MoD’s UFO project...
  4. Rory

    Debunking Humor...

    twitter.com/TomEMatte/status/1558958998157680641 Gotta admit, that's funny. :D
  5. Rory

    Calvine UFO Photo - Reflection In Water Hypothesis

    Dishwashers, yes. But all we know is that Lindsay said one of them had an English accent, not where he or the other was from.
  6. Rory

    Claim: Original Calvine UFO Photo

    Did I include this one? Illsley seems to think that the photographer was interviewed more than once: After being twice interviewed by the military, the photographer (likely a deer poacher) has never again come forward and his identity is unknown...
  7. Rory

    Claim: Original Calvine UFO Photo

    Some comments on an army forum addressing those who suspect there's something fishy about the lack of MoD records regarding Calvine: As far as the wide ranging gaps in documentation which you feel you have identified, I have written all sorts of exotic reports where the files would eventually...
  8. Rory

    Nick Pope

    Not trying to debunk "Nick Pope" - but what was his job exactly? I've heard it described as anything from "head of the Ministry of Defence UFO department" to "glorified clerical officer who filed things" and there does seem to be a general impression that he overstates his role and importance.
  9. Rory

    Claim: Original Calvine UFO Photo

    That's the recreation that was done from Pope's memory of the poster. "A few years ago I teamed up with a graphic artist in Los Angeles and we reconstructed the photo for a TV show, using the line drawing and my memory as a guide. The result was spot-on, but it’s still not the real thing."...
  10. Rory

    Claim: Original Calvine UFO Photo

    I would imagine that they just wanted to move it from Google Docs since linking to Google Docs doesn't look very professional. It's probably the photographer's name from the back of the picture. :D
  11. Rory

    Claim: Original Calvine UFO Photo

    I've seen in several articles (though probably mostly syndicated/copied from The Sun) that the object is described as "metallic": "The men - whose identities remain unknown to this day - claim they watched the metallic object hovering with a low hum for around ten minutes."...
  12. Rory

    Claim: Original Calvine UFO Photo

    Fair point. Though given they had a car, a decent camera, bought specialist film, and were potentially English youths far from home they could just as easily have been from well-off families who supported them in their adventures; it's all speculation really. All I know is when I was 18 it...
  13. Rory

    Claim: Original Calvine UFO Photo

    All already covered earlier in the thread (and, indeed, on this page)...
  14. Rory

    Calvine UFO Photo - Reflection In Water Hypothesis

    I thought one of the guys confessed to it being done at Loch Ness? And isn't the shoreline visible in the uncropped version? As far as I remember it wasn't exactly 'Grapes of Wrath' territory - I doubt whether British teenagers would have even noticed it (I didn't). And apparently "the British...
  15. Rory

    Claim: Original Calvine UFO Photo

    Will add. Also, anyone know which FOIA document this comes from/have a link to copy? Source: https://drdavidclarke.co.uk/secret-files/the-calvine-ufo-photographs/ So not quite "responible for stealth programs"? As a result Lt General John Jaquish, who was responsible [for] the Stealth...
  16. Rory

    Calvine UFO Photo - Reflection In Water Hypothesis

    Found it, around 46:40. He says the guy he spoke to had an English accent and that they were doing holiday work "mainly washing dishes for pocket money". That was I think the only bit of the video I'd skipped over! :D One thing to note: some Scottish people's accents sound like English...
  17. Rory

    Calvine UFO Photo - Reflection In Water Hypothesis

    Timestamp? Or rough idea/section? Regarding their nationalities/jobs?
  18. Rory

    Claim: Original Calvine UFO Photo

    According to Andrew Robinson: "The photograph is a colour print from XP-1 chromogenic Black and White C41 film printed on standard Kodak colour negative paper" drive.google.com/file/d/1QPqd-G9f7vMW77orEHlvQHagrxm3uZ9r/view Also this posted in the comments underneath the YouTube discussion...
  19. Rory

    Calvine UFO Photo - Reflection In Water Hypothesis

    Can you link to where it's stated that they were English? And also where it's said they were kitchen porters please? Haven't read that yet.
  20. Rory

    Claim: Original Calvine UFO Photo

    Just taking a look back at Clarke's various statements and the history and timeline of the photos so it's all in one place. From Clarke #1 (spring/summer 2021): On the photos "According to a brief, hand-written report from the MoD’s UFO files, the photograph/s at the centre of the mystery...
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