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Nothing I've seen.

True. But why think they are birdwatching in the first place? The sun set at 21.22 and dusk (end of civil twilight) was at 22.10. I don't think that's stated anywhere.

That's an interesting point and is probably worth a discussion at some time. I think as far as this thread goes there have been suggestions of hoaxing rather than accusations (unless I don't remember them). Suggestions seems okay - especially since it's the most likely possibility. This...

Yes, well said. Thanks for clarifying. I would agree that it's wrong to conclude (with 100% certainty) that it's a hoax. I see what you're saying and it makes sense. For example, if the original photos actually had more landscape in them and the newspaper wanted to go with the story then maybe...

Agreed: I've had plenty of posts deleted. Usually it's not much work to bring them into line and most of the time the reasons for deletion are understandable.

What I mean is it's based on the assumption that they weren't lying about the location. But if you're open to it being a hoax then you're open to them lying about the whole story, which includes the location. Which means the reflection theory is still be on the table. We can dismiss the...

You still have a copy of it in the moderation message?

I don't think there's any reason to assume that. The story is they saw a gigantic craft hovering above them and then it zoomed off vertically and disappeared. Surely the most logical assessment of that is that they made it up - as plenty of others have also done. I don't think so. It's okay to...

Going by the post above, that 1.429 should actually be 1.32 - looks like I multiplied by 7/6 in the wrong place (been a long time). I think the rest still stands though. Could even reduce that requirement for 20x to give the flat earthers more of a fighting chance - and the smaller the better...

The problem is, if it's a reflection it's a hoax, and if it's a hoax there's no reason to think it was taken in that area, or even in that country. Full reflection hypothesis discussion here: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/calvine-ufo-photo-reflection-in-water-hypothesis.12572/

Ok, so I think I've got my head around all this swan business now. Black swan theory: Assertion: all swans are white (or rather, no swans are black) Disproof: a non-white swan (or a black swan) Result: modify the assertion In Quantum Eraser's understanding: Assertion: the earth is a sphere...

Fleshed out a little: https://books.google.com.mx/books?id=tW3tDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT113

Probably my fault. It came out right about the time I achieved a major life goal and therefore I had a massive hole to fill. Even though I'd never heard of it before I went a bit overboard on it and all the various bits of info and stories floating around. If it been a month before or a month...

Stu Little said a Canon AE-1 Program but I guess nobody knows for sure.

Well that's just silly. Assuming the math is right - I can't be bothered to check - he's completely ignoring the variability of refraction. (That Quantum Eraser fella is an excellent example of the type of person it would be absolutely fruitless to engage with in a discussion on the subject.)

In particular, did you show them this image that Deirdre posted? Our pleasure. I think we all enjoyed that one and it made a nice change from blobs in the sky. :)

You're right to find that confusing; but it's confusing not because there's something wrong with your understanding but because it's gobbledygook. He defines a white swan as one thing - the limitation of being able to see beyond physical earth curve - and then curve balls into a nonsensical...

Not sure when it last worked. Might have been a year or more since I last tried to use it.

Ah no, thought you were talking about Calvine. Explains why I was thinking, hm, but Calvine's pretty much bang in the centre. ;)