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All possible I guess, yes.

I wonder how fast thinking these guys must have been, because everything has to come together when the plane starts to fly by. The hoaxers would have this instant idea to look into the pond, look at the corner of the box in the water, wait for the jet to pass by overhead, make a quick sequence...

@banditsat12oclock The problem with this is though, that the craft is travelling hypersonically. The ufo craft was described by the witness hoovering. The witness could have hoaxed the whole thing, but if not, a witness surely could make a differentiation between a stationary craft and a fast...

Random sampling technique. ;)

What I am saying is that in this thread we tried everything to show it is a hoax, so we are automatically driven to this conclusion (directional thinking). Perhaps we are stuck in a local minimum, and indeed because we have no more information.

So now our debunk has been degraded to "the witness was lying" narrative. Dangerous direction. I understand the reflection theory LOOKS similar, but it by far is not a debunk.

Thanks @Charlie Wiser and @JFDee for the info. I did not know there is no direct governmental link or block to the pictures. So that changes my understanding of it all quite a bit. A hoax cannot be excluded.

I would like to think in that direction, but look at post #25.. I cannot see anything else but clouds....

Given the fact the MoD reacted a bit weird with the photo, I am sure it has to do with something military related testing. I was thinking, as it looks like it has some flat panels at odd angles, can it perhaps be a "radar / stealth dirigible" that was floating there?

He could also have been on a lower part of the trail/road/mountain? Cairngorm area is very rough, rocky terrain.

I found a link to a analysis performed on the print itself, looking for any evidence of manipulation. Source: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tWMZ232qgDE6Tru7jwgG-nsqoeQZpIm3/view

You forgetting near Earth asteroids.

I could, but I don't have a hairdryer. :cool: Anyway, I have a background in lampworking/glassblowing (now a hobby), and have had countless of finger burns, or burns on the arm. Either by hot glass, or a hot metal torch. It is in the end part of the job and you get used to it. Indeed the...

What would be your take on it, @jamesrav ? Do you give this case a higher chance being an actual extra terrestrial craft? Or do you perhaps think it is unexplained, because for whatever reason, we have not found evidence of something from Earth? Just curious.

Perhaps you are on to something. Perhaps it was a hot air balloon, basket hidden from view? Two persons in white in the basket? White, because it protects better in the sun? Indeed the propane burners give of a strong blue/orange flame. I just cannot imagine a large balloon (being lit by the...

I feel the same. We can safely agree this is not caused by aliens going unnoticed in random white girl's bedrooms, wielding cattle branding irons.

I cannot in my sober sane brain get myself convinced all cases are anything else then a self inflicted burns..

Would be interesting to get more info on these cases. We now only have this youtube talk from Vallee. The testimonies might hint more.

I am convinced mr Vallee is biased in all his research. He comes across a little too gullible to anything presented to him. That's why the ufo community loves him so much.

Agreed.. Also perhaps the system is trying hard to comp the shake? Is that a feature?