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It’s at the start ( approx 0:02 )- immediately before the voiceover says ‘ dude is that a f’ing drone, bro ‘. There’s a distinct bump. Source: https://youtu.be/QKHg-vnTFsM

I agree the bumps are significant. But the reason I mentioned turbulence is because there is a definite, significant bump at start of video, in white hot mode, that does not correlate in any way with the rotation, which starts later in video. What is this bump ?

Very well put. I did posit somewhere in another thread, that the bumps could be caused by good old turbulence. Haven’t heard anyone else mention this but it seems, at least plausible to me.

‘To get something obscuring the wing, you need a ridiculous and impossible spreading of hot gasses outwards.’ - It’s not covering the wing In that footage. The thermal image merely shows difference in heat. The engines and their immediate surrounding area. Particularly at takeoff on concord...

The sukhoi/fi18 footage is glare. Clearly visible. It’s in constant rotation. Probably due to the fact we are zoomed right in on the engines and it’s effectively overloading the sensors.

It’s not nonsense. It’s correct. That is the observable heat plume. If the resolution of that Concorde video wasnt so low we would probably see spiking at edge of engines. We keep using examples of different engines viewed at different distances with different systems to argue past each other...

If the de rotation device is a mirror like device; comparable to the one Dave shows at 45 deg angles would it not create the attached effect ? See drawing. If the image is observed through a 'direct line of sight' , for lack of better description, then the potential glare on lens would remain...

I agree, it probably wouldn’t do artefacts but it may replicate the gimbal pod movements accurately?

Interesting. The most fascinating bit of his video was watching the gimbal pods motion. Do you think that it would simulate its tracking capability by actually moving on its axis as in reality ? That would be intriguing.

You’re right, it’s not helpful. I just stop short of deliberate misleading. More naivety. I recognise the symptoms very well ! I understand your position though and my comments were not in any way aimed at you ! When I say, observe the atflir- I mean externally watch it’s motion. It’s always...

Very interesting simulator he used as well. Does anyone here use that software ? Particularly interested that you could in theory plot the gimbal encounter and observe how the atflir pod follows. Whether it’s in constant motion or not. May not be definitive or 1:1 accurate but it seems pretty...

I hear you, but I don’t get the impression he’s deliberately misleading. A bit loose with terminology maybe? But who am I to judge ! Just check my posts! I welcome his input. Faults and all. None of us are perfect. Don’t see any wilful deceit or deviousness. Quite the opposite. Whatever you...

That’s kind of what what I mean. This chart is possibly the safe working limits for an f18, rather than standard expected turn. A fighters turn at any given time is dependent on a variety of variables obviously. In this case, needed to get behind the gimbal object. As Mick said, the critical...

Very nice analysis by Mick. Christ ! He doesn’t hang about does he ! What is the significance of the standard 3 deg turn ? He uses it to calculate the initial trajectory but then it changes due to a different bank angle. It’s not a true radius throughout as in Mick’s. Is the manual not a...

The pilot seems to flick between a black hot and tv mode. Also note the constant steady rotation of image border, only visible when zoomed out. At the critical point, which we have used as an example, it seems to be in tv mode, not an IR mode...

My question of how is it tracked is somewhat rhetorical. My point is, the atflir cannot span an area of sky 54 deg to 0 deg - miles away - without something moving or rotating in the process. A glare just suddenly rotating does not seem possibly and is not in line with any of the other glare...

The gimbal object is 2 deg below. It’s tracked from 54 degrees left to approx 5 degrees before the rotation occurs. Also the f18 is in a 20 deg bank. How is the object tracked ? If it is a glare caused by lens. How can it start so late ? We should still see artefacts. Even if coelostat...

As Ive stated before , its difficult to unseen the glare artefacts in tandem with objects but this could be classic confirmation bias. The f18 also starts rotating right at the same time.

I think they were used in the first gulf conflict.

Ah ok, I’m presuming that’s just a version of pod. FLIR would be the generic term. There are other models and makers with effectively the same technology inside. He mentioned his system was the same but with different on screen symbols. It had literally been rebranded.