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Not questioning you but where is that from ? I got the impression most airforces worldwide have been using atflirs for decades. If you watch manufacturer adverts they boast about the wide range of compatibility - listing all kinds of jets etc. Also he stated he’d been using over a decade I think.

The artefacts in sky are a real issue, Mick you are right about that. I know my hypothesis went down like a lead weather balloon recently regarding rotation but as I mentioned, there is something else rotating at same time as artefacts/glare - the actual f18. Not impossible for that to be...

I’ve forced myself to shut up about the rotation. Guilty as charged… Its a fascinating video. I get the impression his knowledge is possibly beyond standard pilot ? I think I read he was an instructor of this stuff in last video. He’s exactly what is needed. Someone with detailed knowledge of...

Do you mean he is contradicting himself by using data on gimbal video ? He says the passive sensor can’t be trusted to calculate range to a target. The only data he uses on this vid is the banking angle and line of sight, which are accurate.

[Mod: Added Mick's Response video] Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBeqP4z3rXo And Lehto's response to that Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DTYqMqc3cU Original post follows ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------...

Again, excuse my stupidity, just trying to wrap my head around this. The claim in this video seems to be that - they were sent to this location by other radar ( spy1 or whatever that would be ) same as Fravor was sent to some coordinates. - the WSO doesn’t see it on their inferior radar - they...

Ok thanks. Apologies, I’m way behind on this on screen data. It’s good to have someone like yourself here who can decipher this! Does his statement about being in A/G mode also tally with his adamance that the range is wrong? The range is ‘guessed’ by pod-in correlation to the type of mode. So...

He says ‘ I think we are in ground mode ‘ That he thinks they picked it up visually and that they were probably sent there by another radar. When he says ground mode I’m presuming that is the A/G you are referring to ?

He also points at the small ‘o’ next to R which denotes degrees of right. He seems to mistake this o and says its the situational awareness dot ( that white dot that drifts around the edge of screen in other videos ) and because of its position centre above means that we are looking straight...

IamGoddard found a perfect example of what I would expect to see. A constant rotation.

Thanks saucerpilot. I apologise if I’m being a total dummy here but I still can’t get it. :) A lost cause ! Mick‘s ( fantastic ) hypothesis is that the rotation of unit at centre point is a sudden correction, which would make the glare rotate only at the centre line. My issue remains that the...

Yes you are right, you could track right across at 0 deg with zero rotation and just pitch of lens. Also, regarding f18 pitched 20 on side, and reading that target is 2 deg below. I think that’s just 2 deg below the horizontal plane of f18 ? The atflir is having to do something different than...

My understanding is that the front end is in constant motion maintaining line of sight and that internal mirrors provide fine tracking and a safety bracket of around +-3 degrees to avoid gimbal lock. That the mirrors effectively create an extra axis to minimise any motion towards gimbal lock but...

Same here. All I hear now is, ‘ that’s not l and s is it ‘ - ‘ that is l and s dude ‘

Ok that’s interesting. I’ve heard Fravor state that people have claimed to see a longer vid but its not true. I’ve heard him stating that someone took the tape from him claiming superiors had requested it. Then he realises they are fooling with him so he marches back and takes the tape. He...

I’m not certain it says that. It just sounds like it to me. Could be completely wrong.

Yes I did. My point is that the rotation ( perpendicular screw ) must rotate consistently from the start and wouldn’t give us this sudden move as in gimbal footage. Disregard my last thought and diagram above though. Thinking again, it wouldn’t change things. Whether the angle is very shallow...

This would mean all the initial tracking is done with the pivot up and down of lens ( no rotation ) all the way up until the gimbal lock at which point we get rotation suddenly to correct.

Mick, I’ve just had another idea which would possibly work regarding your glare rotation hypothesis. As I keep waffling on about; I’m not convinced the pod would need a sudden rotation at centre when tracking an object across. I think it’s a constant relatively consistent rotation. But there...

Yes this is another thing to consider. As well as varying eye witness testimony, I’ve heard Fravor state that there are people flat out lying. Saying that they saw the tic tac from deck. Saying they watched the tapes and they are much longer. Also some have said that men in black came and took...