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... even though it's a German edit. It has some shots of Alex Jones' warehouse from where he distributes conspiracy merchandise. http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/?display=1&mode=play&obj=32291 Might not be up for very long though (due to restrictions for public TV in Germany). There may...

I did not talk about robot cats. With the same reason you suspect chemical spraying, you could suspect continuous release of toxic waste underground, ongoing covert CIA financing of the rebel faction in a country of your choice or other issues. What I find absurd is to pick something as...

I'd like to see concrete scientific evidence for claims that involve science. Especially those that claim concrete, but invisible and undetectable actions. You implied that this goes for "anything". BTW, I am worried that conspiracy bunk does actually start to get really harmful, to...

Are you aware that there is a huge number of invisible crimes that might be going on secretly at this moment? An infinite number to be exact? That's a lot of suspecting to do, and frankly, I wonder how you can live with that. Seems unhealthy to me. And why suspecting chemical spraying, of all...

But then, how would you know which are the suspicious ones? What makes a trail suspicious in your eyes? It can hardly be the course of the planes, because if someone takes great care to hide any spraying, he surely doesn't botch it with conspicious flight patterns.

This was only to extend the judge-and-prosecutor analogy. No matter how you call it, you don't have any evidence that is able to convince scrutinizers like scientists or judges.

Would you accept if someone knowledgeable explained these suspicious trails to you? If you insist on doing the proper research all by yourself, you would probably have to study atmospheric sciences and learn to be an air traffic controller. BTW, there are atmospheric scientists in most...

It's irrelevant as long as you can't even show that there is an ongoing crime.

Hmm, I don't want to debate semantics with you. So you suspect that some persistant contrails are in fact chemtrails. You do so on the base of these arguments: some trails that look suspicious, and which you can't immediately explain some water tests by chemtrail activists that are not...

Now you got me confused. Does that mean that you assume that some persistant contrails are in fact chemtrails?

So I must have misunderstood most of your postings. I thought you were suspecting that there is some secret spraying going on. O.K. then.

SeriouslyDebatable, I can't shake off the impression that you are indeed demanding proof of non-existence when you write: I understand that what you actually have as the base for your working hypothesis is: some trails that look suspicious, and which you can't immediately explainsome...

None, but it would be noticed by someone. Or are you seriously presuming that every single atmospheric scientist is in on it? From New Zealand to China? Again, not plausible at all.

Natural laws are hard to lie about. Too many universities around the globe, too many scientists eager to call you out. Not plausible at all.

I have no reason to dispute that, especially in the light of the party convention last week. But why implicate this lying with regard to a hypothetical secret program, of all things possible - something invisible, impractical, unprovable and obviously without any effect? Isn't that a...

SeriouslyDebatable, when I asked you who gave you the idea that there might be something sinister in the trails, I tried to make this point: You are researching and pondering in a thorough and serious way an idea that started as a true hoax, blown up over time by unqualified promoters. (Jay...

If you have no evidence that those long white high-altitude trails are something other than contrails, why do you cling to the belief that something sinister is going on? Is is YouTube? Chemtrail propaganda sites? What made you delving into the subject in the beginning? Just observation...

"There is an ongoing large-scale covert geoengineering program." This statement is either true or false. How can there be "lies at both ends" ? How can sowing the seeds of doubt be helpful ?

As far as I understand from the Flightradar24, they depend much on volunteers who operate private ADB-S receivers. I have recommended doing this to chemtrail believers; if they'd have their own receiver (starting at around 250$), there is nothing in between them and the plane trailing overhead.

Hey, PCWilliams - I'm in that trade too ... Amazing. Once GregMC is done with MM4, there is a good part of a post production crew available. I figure it would be easy for Mick to contribute explanatory animations.