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Though getting all the elevations in a mountain range to tally up to a flat earth would be a pretty impressive feat. Anyway... Just had an idea about where to repeat the Wallace experiment: how about at Bedford Levels? ;) I've just arrived back in England and since I'm a free agent I'd be...

Ramana Maharshi: "Except that waking is long lasting and dreams last only a short while, there is no difference between the two. In truth, however, time is also a product of our mind’s imagination, so the impression that waking endures for a long time is merely an illusion that occurs due to the...

You could kill them, but then they wouldn't be around to view the results. And if you only injure them, then it's happened as if in a dream. Therefore the hypothesis could still be true.

We don't know how light really works. There are many things we don't know. We're still figuring stuff out. Agree?

Whether in The Matrix or not, the real question is, what difference would it make? How would you live your life if it were proved you were in The Matrix? And: what's stopping you from doing that now?

A caveat here: it may also depend on what we're looking for. Are we looking for signs that we've gotten through to them? Are we looking for our own triumph and victory? There's always the possibility that people go away and think about what we've said. That their minds will change later on...

That, of course, is the out - that the elevations aren't what they say they are. ;)

I got a good one: Snowmass Mountain in Colorado is 14,099 feet high. About 82.5 miles to the northeast is the 14,200 feet high Mount Evans. And directly in line between the two, about 55.5 miles from Snowmass is 13,800 feet high Crystal Peak. If the earth is flat, Mount Evans will be visible...

A good, obvious point I can't believe I didn't go straight to - I've played in goal enough times to know that the players at the other end of the field haven't disappeared from the waist down! PS If Mick thinks this is all off-topic to the OP - it's probably just a testament to the absence of...

While not related to the point Mick was making above, that 'football field image' is also amusing as it: a) neglects to factor in the slope football fields have; and b) says nothing about the angle of the camera lens, or where it is in relation to the grass.

Excellent stuff. :) I suppose we can say something similar for google maps. A great many "flat earth predictions" only work if something is seriously amiss with google maps - if distances are incorrect; if places aren't where they're presented as being; if countries are not the sizes we believe...

There is another factor in this, which I discovered when challenged by a flat earther that he had evidence that Polaris could be seen from below 3°S - that of elevation. It turns out he was right: but the image he was citing was taken from Kilimanjaro, at over 19,000 feet above sea level - an...

I'm gonna say Mistake #1 was not making a joke back when Joe did his opening "Round Earth Shill three dollars a month" routine. ;)

In the OP Jeranism posts both the question and the answer: as he quotes from Wikipedia, "by refraction of light." Were the observation anything to do with the shape of the earth, the (more or less) same view would be seen on any (clear) day of the year, not just on very select days when...

Are the examples you're talking about the ones in the video that I mentioned above? That guy's "globe earth" flight paths are all over the place, and bear no relation to reality. Has he not heard of transpolar flights? The black line, especially, is nowhere near the actual flight path, and...

In actual fact, psilyguy, you're a bit behind times with all this "southern hemisphere flights don't exist" business: as far as I can see, flat earthers have now come to accept that they do exist - there are 70+ direct flights per week across the southern hemisphere - and are now focusing more...

Though setting it to that wouldn't prove to a flat earther that we were flying on a true track, just that the instruments tell us we are. ;)

I think Mick makes a good point in that, if you've got an aeroplane and the ability to take it to within 10 miles of both poles, you've probably already done enough to show that the earth isn't flat. Unfortunately, to even begin to persuade flat earthers, we probably have to do more than...

So are we now saying that all this "measuring the horizon with a level business" is sort of pointless?

Why are you adding the two heights together? Where does the idea to do that come from? Perhaps drawing a diagram for yourself would help?