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Ah ok. I thought FLIR or ATFLIR is the name of the whole system itself; the complete unit and all its optics, and gimbal is just the name which denotes the mechanical pod and it’s movement ? Its a two axis system of movement - a gimbal ?

Anyone else spot that ? It’s quite jarring misdiagnosis. Also, our friend Jeremy Corbell is insufferable....

Actually you are right. This interview of Fravor with Joe Rogan. Around 38.50 he starts watching/discussing gimbal footage. He says they have it on radar as well. I like Fravor. I don’t doubt his beliefs that he saw something. There are some inconsistencies with his analysis though. It may just...

I think this is right. I seem to remember Fravor discussing this video. I’m sure he said that they were trying to get a track on radar but couldn’t. So they through the pod at it because if the object was somehow jamming radar, it couldn’t somehow become invisible and avoid the atflir. When the...

If the forward facing camera had full 3D capability and movement, it may be easier to suggest that the camera malfunctioned and rotated suddenly. The limitations that the gimbal is under regarding its two axis makes it much easier for us to deduce its position at any given moment by virtue of...

If you look at the image above, the rotation must be constant all the way through. The two axis puts limits on how the camera can track. So I suggest it must do the above. Therefore the lens would be in constant rotation.

Not sure if that image worked so will try again

This is how the front would look if tracking an object around 2 degrees below. I can’t calculate any other way that the camera could move when following this path. Axis 1 must rotate constantly. Axis 2 slightly lifts towards centre and then drops again on other side. What do you think ?

HI Mick, sorry I think I’ve not been clear. I think I’m saying the same thing as you. When I say the pod rotates constantly to track the object from left to right, I mean the front ball, not the entire chamber it is attached to. The front ball or pod as I called it must rotate smoothly...

It Is a fairly consistent rotation throughout with just slight pitch of camera one way in first half and then opposite in second half. This is what I meant by there being no sudden roll or correction at/around the 0 deg centre line. If the lens was creating glare then we should see a consistent...

This highly sophisticated re-enactment of the gimbal atflir includes a laser attached to a mirror which can move on the two axis discussed. The pencil just gives a bit more reference to the roll. This is mostly just rolling with a very fine amount of tilt at same time.

Sorry , I must be missing something here but I disagree. You are right in that only one axis does most of the work. That would be the roll of the gimbal pod, rather than the pitch up or down of the lens. This roll of the gimbal pod would be a constant steady counter clockwise roll of the lens.

With regards the gimbal footage on which this thread is based, I think the giveaway is in the actual editing. It’s like a bad magician quickly whipping the magical object away from the crowd before they can see that it’s not actually magical at all ! Having said that, I don’t think it is...

It’s just a very strange motion to observe. Doesn’t mean the onset of alien invasion, but it is just an interesting manoeuvre to see and try and make sense of.

Totally agree ! Although I’m getting slightly of the subject so will keep it brief - I understand the concept of keeping classified information regarding on screen radar systems or on screen atflir data, but why show us the gimbal up to that moment and then stop ? There’s no logical...

By the way, I’ll just add that I’m new to this forum, but I’m not a ufo nut trying to argue. I don’t know what the object is. If it wasn’t military footage I would just presume it’s a superimposed object and a fake. I’m leaning towards some exotic drone that we don’t know about as I’m not...

Sorry to keep harping on with this point but - I believe that the main gimbal section at front is required to rotate and tilt in unison to pick out any particularly place in the sky. Within that area that it is facing; the mirrors can then do fine adjustment. These would probably be used more...

I think the main front section of gimbal which rotates and tilts the lens does most of the leg work constantly tracking an object. Obviously when something is miles away and the camera is zoomed in (x2 in the gimbal footage for example) then the rotational motion of the front section cannot...

Hello everyone, My name is Daniel. I’m a bespoke joiner from the UK. I stumbled upon this site ( it seems I’m very late to the party ) after falling down countless rabbit holes on YouTube and catching Mick West’s videos. I’m interested in the debate around the US government released footage of...

Hi all, What a fantastic forum this is. I have a couple of points regarding the gimbal footage and the rotation/glare hypothesis, which continue to bother me so was wondering if someone could take a look. In Mick Wests’ great gimbal video where the basic mechanics are explained really well...