Alien Bodies at a Mexican UAP Hearing

John J. said:
It is much more likely explained by a mixture of DNA from different organisms.
The lab wouldn't have isolated a single molecule of DNA to test.
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I note that the test date for this DNA sample is a year ago, so it does seem like there is new evidence since the original debunk, therefore this has to be examined again.
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Curious George said:
The existing debunk as far as I know from a cursory examination, centred around the similarity of the bones to other known animals, problems in mirroring the joints, and a few other points, however, a lot of these are addressed in the current presentation.
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By addressed can you break it down for me? I am under the impression we have sculptures made of bones and other stuff:

1. no hip bone, or hinges for the legs and arms, so they cant be used as legs or arms? no jaw bone for the mouth as well?
2. Bones are flip flopped on either side, and inconsistent, and look broken as if made to fit a certain way.
3. Various types of animal/human bones throughout.

Have these been addressed in the presentation in a seemingly reliable way? I couldn't keep up with the whole thing, but ask since it sounds like maybe they addressed them?
 
So these “aliens” were found in a mine, completely straight, no bends in the arms or legs, just completely rigid?
 
John J. said:
It is much more likely explained by a mixture of DNA from different organisms.
The lab wouldn't have isolated a single molecule of DNA to test.
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Exactly.
The process of DNA sequencing (by PCR): (highly simplified)

Using the example of a swab in your mouth

  1. First take a sample.
  2. Chemicals are then used to extract just the DNA, (get rid of the rest of the cell)
  3. Make many many many copies of the DNA
  4. Break up the DNA into many many small pieces
  5. Attach florescent pieces to the RNA (they bond at certain predictable sites)
  6. Run each piece past a light and a sensor, to get a "read" of that piece of the RNA.
  7. Then lots of maths and hard work to put it all back together and "sequence" it.
(there are other ways to do it, but this is the most common right now)

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Point being when you do this, you will have lots of non human DNA too. The bacteria from your mouth for example.

Some DNA sequencing companies will give you this info too on the bacteria in your mouth when you get sequenced.

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Therefore especially in a mixed sample, you would get all sorts of DNA.

And it would be very very hard to put its all back together in a coherent sequence. (At least in my understanding)

3 Billion base pairs just in human, with a huge amount of repetition, common genes across species. (humans and bananas for example).

So with a big mix of species, I think it would be very likely to get lots of unknowns. That doesn't mean it's mysterious. More like a very very large excel spreadsheet, after a cat has walked over the keyboard for a few hours.

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No, they were in various poses. 1694643802538.png
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I’m so confused. Just to be clear the “aliens” on the left are from the Mexico UAP conference. And the picture on the right is a different “alien” with no head?

So the “aliens” on the left are posable? Even though they are fossilized?
 
Curious George said:
What are the 30% unknown chromosomes then?
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Does metabunk have a resident genomics expert for questions like this? For example, is this just due to a reasonable amount of degradation we'd expect over the long amount of time the mummies were just hidden away?
 
Curious George said:
There is a summary of the evidence here. For example, the debunk that it's pieced together by various bones is allegedly refuted by saying the bones are hollow.
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Just a couple of things from the article, which is a summery by a Clint Erlich, real quick:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1702018060411093160.html

A Dr. Romero presented DNA evidence. Erlich claims Romero said:

Dr. Romero and his colleagues compared DNA samples from the aliens to an NCIB database of known DNA sequences on Earth.

70% of the DNA sequences identified were completely unknown.

They had never before been seen in any living organism on Earth.
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Here is one of the slides:

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And blown up a bit to see the ~70% is "unclassified":


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Does "unclassified" mean actual unidentified DNA sequences or does it mean collections of sequences that were damaged or in to small of a volume to adequately classify them? This is a classic trick in the Cryptid world, where "unknown" DNA is assumed to be Bigfoot as opposed to "not enough there to classify it at this time". This argument was also used with the "Starchild", another indigenous Peruvian remains obtained through looting. The proponents had a DNA analysis and claimed that "unknown" or "unclassified" meant alien-human hybrid. It was just DNA that couldn't be identified due to damage or not enough of it.

Next up was Dr. Benitez:

Dr. Benítez drew attention to the natural displacement of vertebrae in a "pregnant" specimen with eggs.

He said this is a "normal physiological response to gestation."

It would be "difficult to reproduce in such a harmonious way."
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I'm unaware of any bipedal egg layers so exactly how would Benitez know this is a "normal physiological response"? If I'm trying to shove stone like eggs into my fake alien body I might displace some vertebra in the process. I'm not really sure what he's saying. He continues:

Dr. Benítez also flagged deterioration visible at the intersection of the alien's femur and ilium.

He said an artist making a fake would not replicate this natural wear and tear from bipedal locomotion.

It is "a consequence of [the alien's] existence. It was alive."
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IF it's some real bones being used to create a fake alien, then those real bones would show real wear and tear, right?

My older son taught Osteology (bones and especially human bones) as a Grad student at Cal, I think he's too busy, but I'll try to get him to take a look at some of the fake looking X-rays presented.

Next up was Professor Dimitriy Galetskiy from Russia's 3rd best medical school:

These findings were corroborated by a team from St. Petersburg Medical University – the No. 3 medical school in Russia.

They were represented in Peru by Professor Dimitriy Galetskiy.
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Prof. Galetskiy identified numerous physiological differences that confirmed these specimens were not human.

Their anatomy is completely different from anything found on Earth.

They have a fused clavicle and undivided vertebra, completely unlike humans.

Second, Prof. Galetskiy noted that the structure of the arms and legs is distinct.

Our arms are separated by the radius and the ulna, and our legs by the tibia and fibula.

In the aliens, these were each a single, solid bone.

Shockingly, the spinal cord of the aliens does *not* pass through their vertebrae.

Prof. Galetskiy hypothesized that it may pass through a tract behind the vertebrae.

This is completely unlike the human spine.
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Galetskiy makes some other observations, but you get the gist, it's not human. Which nobody is claiming. That's about it, just Romero, Benitez and Galetskiy.

As for Erlich, here are a few of his other tweets from the bottom of the page:

Let's honor the victims of 9/11 by telling the truth:

We were attacked by a terrorist organization that was WORKING FOR the U.S. government.

The proof is available online for anyone brave enough to read it. 1/N
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And various UFO conspiracies, such as the Wilson memo likely written by Eric Davis of the Skinwalker Ranch crowd:

Another document supporting the MJ-12 allegations is the "Wilson memo."

Its nominal subject, retired DIA Director Admiral Wilson, has tried to repudiate the document.

But its authenticity has been confirmed by a former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defens
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EarthTech International employee Dr. Eric Davis, author of several AATIP products years later, allegedly meets with VADM Thomas R. Wilson in a car outside of EG&G Special Projects in Las Vegas. Davis transcribes the interaction where he was told the following:

VADM Wilson found records of a UAP reverse engineering program using technology “not of this Earth,” it was protected by a special agreement between the DOD Special Access Program Oversight Committee (SAPOC)’s Senior Review Group (SRG) and a large defense contractor he would not disclose.
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yoshy said:
Does metabunk have a resident genomics expert for questions like this? For example, is this just due to a reasonable amount of degradation we'd expect over the long amount of time the mummies were just hidden away?
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Dr. Jennifer Raff is an ancient DNA expert at the University of Kansas. She used to have her own blog and has appeared on a number of skeptical podcasts. She'd be a great asset. People like her won't touch anything possibley looted, but she could help us understand the various graphs and tables.

In 2015, Raaff was appointed Assistant Professor of Biological Anthropology at the University of Kansas where she conducts population genetics research on ancient and contemporary North American populations from the North American Arctic, the Midwest, and Texas.[2] Her research involves the analysis of genomes in ancient and contemporary DNA, which she uses to understand the histories of human populations.[6] In particular, Raff has focused on the development of new approaches to extract ancient DNA.
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And various UFO conspiracies
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I don't think that's relevant. I look at claims based on the actual data presented. It might take a hard believer (in general) to spend the time to bring the attention to and analyze evidence as they are motived. In many cases they could be deluded by their own bias or get things wrong, but coincidently, they might also come across things more compelling, simply in the act of continually trying.
In the end, it's only the data that matters. If one time they are right, we'll have to thank them for their persistence.
It's the same with Mick - people in the community do appreciate his efforts and the time he takes to analyze and patiently explain in an understandable way what a prosaic explanation could be.
 
I published a bunch of articles and videos where I compile the conclusions of specialists in the analyses of mummies, they all debunk this hoax.

This is the link of my blog, some of the articles were translated into French and Russian. The small mummies' limbs are made out of broken bones...

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Info provided by a claimed researcher:


Source: https://twitter.com/DavidHAltman/status/1702104593566450116/photo/1


I know a lot about this case, having examined the mummies extensively and recently. My tentative conclusion is that the skulls of the little mummies are constructed from Llama skulls, which would certainly preclude the possibility that these are actual mummies of once living creatures. That is a great disappointment to many people involved, and some do not agree with me.
However, there are many mysteries still unresolved regarding these mummies, and they may well turn out to be something much more important than a mere "hoax".

1) It is not clear what is the provenance of the rest of the bones in the bodies. Some appear to be bones of human infants, and some appear to be anomalous, not clearly corresponding to any known animal.

2) The biological material has been proven to be around 1000 years old by numerous C14 dating labs.

3) According to a spectroscopic analysis, the element "Osmium" [Os 76] has been found in the metal accoutrements attached to the bodies. Osmium is the rarest, heaviest and most precious metal on Earth, exceeding uranium in density and platinum in value. Why in the world would a hoaxer waste his time and money including (...) alloy?

4) There are at least 25 of these mummies known to be at large. Is there a modern workshop where someone is assembling these bodies out of dozens of ancient mummified children; hacking them apart and assembling them to look like aliens?
If the idea is to sell them to suckers for big money, there are two problems. The first is that they cannot be legally taken out of Peru. Attempting to do so could get you put in a Peruvian prison, which are not pleasant places.
The second is that if a Russian or Saudi millionaire (for example) paid good money for an alien mummy and then found out that it was a fake, it might end up badly for the seller.

5) There are apparently eggs in the abdomens of several small mummies. These eggs seem to match the age of the rest of the body parts, circa 1000 years. Does it make sense that a modern fraudster would of [gone] through the trouble of inserting eggs (one of which is only millimeters in length) in a mummy when these would be invisible without an x-ray?

6) According to several orthopedic doctors, some of the long bones showed clear signs of osteoporosis, which is EXTERMELY rare in children... so ???

7) The being are apparently covered with skin that also dates to 1000 [years old] and has some reptilian properties. This skin needs to be tested.
There are many more anomalies that indicate that these may be made in ancient times for ritualistic or some other purposes which would make them important. The Russian documentary [note: Aliens Cutaway | Nazca Humanoid Mummies: The Big Fraud. (2021)
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DmDHF6jN9A
] that Nolan posted is sarcastic and condenscending and assumes that because certain aspects are "debunked" that these are merely obvious hoaxes by some modern fraudster.
While that may turn out to be the case, I still have many questions about [...] scientists with the proper tools and expertise will do the test necessary to resolve all of the many questions that remain.
My understanding is that the ICA University where some of these mummies are now being kept, is open to the participation of such scientists and experts.

I would add that Jaime Maussan is doing a disservice to the research and to his own reputation by making unfounded declarations about the mummies. This quote from the independent article is misleading in several ways.
"These specimen are not part of ..."
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Some minor corrections by me.
 
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This is from the original claim in 2017. The new claim had a DNA file date of 2022, and shows 3% human DNA (homo sapiens) and 43% bean plant and 28% unknown.
 
Curious George said:
I don't think that's relevant.
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It goes to credibility. Erlich is repeating or paraphrasing what was said at the hearings. Erlich believes many, often disproven UFO conspiracy theories. Can I trust what he is reporting?

Likewise, Maussan has a history of presenting looted indigenous remains as Aliens:

In 2015, Mexican journalist Jaime Maussan, who reported the existence of the Nazca mummy to Gaia and is featured in the video, led an event called Be Witness, at which a mummified body — purportedly that of an alien — was unveiled. Later, though, that "alien" discovery was debunked, and the mummified corpse was shown to be that of a human child.

Forensic scientist José de Jésus Zalce Benitez was one of the lead researchers behind the (debunked) 2015 discovery, presenting his findings at the Be Witness event. Benitez also took part in Gaia's Nazca project and can be seen in the video claiming that the three fingers of the mummy "makes us think that this does not belong to a human species."
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/alien-mummy-peru/

Maussan reported on a supposed alien body found in Peru in 2015 that was later debunked as the mummified corpse of a human child.
Benítez was also a lead researcher in the presentation of the debunked body discovery, which showed six three-finger mummified bodies in a YouTube video posted in 2017 by Gaia.com, which has been scrutinized as a conspiracy theory hub.
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Note Dr. Benitez's involvement in the previous hoax.

Maussan was at it again at the same event it looks like, with the Roswell slide (bold by me):

In 2015, Maussan tried to promote a photographic slide from the late 1940s that, he hinted, depicted the corpse of an alien child found in the American Southwest. More skeptical ufologists applied de-blurring technology to the “Roswell Slide” when it was released, and found that a previously undecipherable placard next to the body revealed that it was actually the mummy of a two-year-old Puebloan boy removed from the cliff dwellings of Mesa Verde in 1894. Returned to a National Park museum in 1938, the boy was repatriated to a local tribe in 2015. Incredibly, Maussan then offered $10,000 for information that might permit the Puebloan boy’s “location and recuperation.”
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Maussan organized Be Witness to help reveal the photo:

An image taken from the so-called Roswell Slides was unveiled last week in front of a worldwide online audience at an event called Be Witness.

Ahead of the big reveal, researchers said the picture was a "smoking gun" which proved aliens had crashlanded on Earth.

But these claims are now in tatters after Tony Braglia, a "principal investigator" who analysed them, issued an astonishing public apology.

He said the dead alien (pictured below) was actually a Native American child who lived in the abandoned ancient city of Mesa Verde.

Journalist Jaime Maussan, one of the key organisers of the Be Witness event, refused to concede defeat and said the saga was "far from over".

"This could be true," he conceded when we asked if the alien was actually a dead child.

"But there are so many anomalies that is impossible that this is a human being."
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So Erlich is suspect, and Maussan and Benitez have previously presented 3 fingered or other indigenous remains as aliens. They have a heavy burden of proof. Honestly the Aliens look like bad "Gaffs" (bold by me):

GAFF – In the broadest sense, anything controlled or ‘faked’. A gaffed game, for example, would be one where it would be nearly impossible for the patron to win unless the operator let him. In the case of freak animals (and human oddities as well on occasion), for example, a gaff wouldn’t be a genuine freak of nature, regardless how convincing it looked, but a specimen manufactured to look freakish.
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The DNA and all other analyses seems irrelevant to me, given the X-rays show the bones are mixed up human (child) bones. This video from Scientists Against Myths (already posted above) has some excellent graphics to show this. A few screenshots (some amalgamated by me):

Mixed up finger and foot bones:
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Various long bones plus... a vertebra! - in the wrist:
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Mismatched upside-down femur, and tibia, create the femurs in pregnant "Josephine":
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Cut down and backwards llama skull for the head - could account for at least some of the unidentified DNA?
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NorCal Dave said:
These findings were corroborated by a team from St. Petersburg Medical University – the No. 3 medical school in Russia.

They were represented in Peru by Professor Dimitriy Galetskiy.
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In humans, the atlas is the first cervical vertebra (C1).
It is so-called because it supports the head (like Atlas holding up the world, or the heavens, or whatever).
The square structure in the above "X-ray" is clearly meant to be a foramen (an aperture), not a vertebra.

The aperture at the base of the skull is the foramen magnum (Latin, "great hole").
It is oval-shaped in humans.

This is reasonably basic anatomical knowledge. Professor Galetskiy (if reported correctly) gets it wrong. Very wrong.
We have seen this before on this forum; people claiming to have medical/ anatomical/ physiological expertise, supporting extraordinary claims- and making absolutely ridiculous mistakes.

If, as is claimed, the "alien" vertebrae were solid, and the spinal cord travels on (or close to) their dorsal surface, the point of articulation of the skull would have to be in front of (anterior to) the foramen magnum.
That is, the top of the spine (the atlas in humans) must meet and support the base of the skull in front of the square opening in the claimed X-ray, as the spinal cord has to travel through that opening.

Can be checked on Wikipedia,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foramen_magnum, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_(anatomy)

The photographs of the "aliens" from Mexico do not appear to show this arrangement. Their necks aren't far enough forward.

In fact, the positions of the foramen magnum and the spinal cord don't really match up when we compare the "medical images" together (I'm following the convention that the B+W "X-rays" of the skull, at left in the image above, are shown with the "face" topmost; I've used one of those images below).

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Having a spinal cord unprotected by vertebrae, travelling through a foramen magnum with straight edges, would seem to be a bit of an oversight on the part of natural selection.
No doubt the aliens evolved so that they never nodded or shook their heads too vigorously.
They wouldn't want to pinch their cervical spinal cord between the rear of C1 and the straight edge of the foramen magnum.

(Confident that the medical images are computer-assisted fakes- can't prove it though).
 
ML2017 said:
I published a bunch of articles and videos where I compile the conclusions of specialists in the analyses of mummies, they all debunk this hoax.

This is the link of my blog
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I think ML2017's post (above) is important.

I'm surprised no-one's commented on ML2017's information. The blog is called (English translation)
"Unveiling the Truth: Chronology of the Academic Consensus on the Nasca Mummies".
 
John J. said:
I think ML2017's post (above) is important.

I'm surprised no-one's commented on ML2017's information. The blog is called (English translation)
"Unveiling the Truth: Chronology of the Academic Consensus on the Nasca Mummies".
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Thanks, I follow the case since 2016... and I got involved in dismantling it since 2017. I tackled all possible edges, unfortunately I have not had the time to translate them into English, but the Google translator translates it in a decent way.
 
Charlie Wiser said:
The DNA and all other analyses seems irrelevant to me, given the X-rays show the bones are mixed up human (child) bones. This video from Scientists Against Myths (already posted above) has some excellent graphics to show this. A few screenshots (some amalgamated by me):
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Yes I've seen that and it's compelling, however, does that still apply? Were the CT/XR scans presented at the hearing from the same samples? I've seen mention that bodies came from two sites, so there could be a difference. Also, which body did the new DNA evidence come from?
 
Curious George said:
Yes I've seen that and it's compelling, however, does that still apply? Were the CT/XR scans presented at the hearing from the same samples? I've seen mention that bodies came from two sites, so there could be a difference. Also, which body did the new DNA evidence come from?
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From what I can tell, there are at least three small lying-down aliens, two of which were at the hearing, and they're made of children's bones and llama heads. The X-rays and DNA results are from those.

The crouched adult-sized mummy is a separate thing. It's a fully human mummy with elongated skull (per the fashion), and fingers, toes, and ears cut off (seen on the X-rays). I don't know what DNA or other studies have been done on those.
 
Curious George said:
Link to DNA data
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA869134
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And the results on the first one:
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I had already noted that phaseolus vulgaris is a type of garden bean.

Then second sample is mostly (90%) human DNA:
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The third sample is some human, but more cow (bos). Llamas are not cows, but related to camels.
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I assume that the "unidentified reads" are sequences that are too short to fit any single place on the phylogenetic tree. The DNA in the sample may simply be very degraded.

Curious George said:
This is from the original claim in 2017. The new claim had a DNA file date of 2022, and shows 3% human DNA (homo sapiens) and 43% bean plant and 28% unknown.
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Only one of the 3 samples you posted does, and I'd say the analysis shows 48% bean and 10% human, since the isolated "ancestor" nodes on that tree likely belong to the end species as well: there weren't any other hominid species than homo sapiens in the sample, so the rest of the hominid DNA is probably homo sapiens as well, but the reconstructed sequences were too short to tell with certainty.
 
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Info provided by a claimed researcher:
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Source: https://twitter.com/DavidHAltman/status/1702104593566450116/photo/1


I know a lot about this case, having examined the mummies extensively and recently. My tentative conclusion is that the skulls of the little mummies are constructed from Llama skulls, which would certainly preclude the possibility that these are actual mummies of once living creatures. That is a great disappointment to many people involved, and some do not agree with me.
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Good.
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However, there are many mysteries still unresolved regarding these mummies, and they may well turn out to be something much more important than a mere "hoax".
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Why?
Curious George said:

1) It is not clear what is the provenance of the rest of the bones in the bodies. Some appear to be bones of human infants, and some appear to be anomalous, not clearly corresponding to any known animal.
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Maybe he doesn't know a lot about bones? Some diseases involve bone malformation.
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2) The biological material has been proven to be around 1000 years old by numerous C14 dating labs.
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Do we have a source for that?
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3) According to a spectroscopic analysis, the element "Osmium" [Os 76] has been found in the metal accoutrements attached to the bodies. Osmium is the rarest, heaviest and most precious metal on Earth, exceeding uranium in density and platinum in value. Why in the world would a hoaxer waste his time and money including (...) alloy?
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Argument from incredulity.
Research:
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[Osmium] is a hard, brittle, bluish-white transition metal in the platinum group that is found as a trace element in alloys, mostly in platinum ores.

Osmium was discovered in 1803 by Smithson Tennant and William Hyde Wollaston in London, England.[40]​ The discovery of osmium is intertwined with that of platinum and the other metals of the platinum group. Platinum reached Europe as platina ("small silver"), first encountered in the late 17th century in silver mines around the Chocó Department, in Colombia.

Nothing unusual about Colombian silver containing traces of osmium.
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4) There are at least 25 of these mummies known to be at large. Is there a modern workshop where someone is assembling these bodies out of dozens of ancient mummified children; hacking them apart and assembling them to look like aliens?
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More Argument from incredulity, and a straw man.
Curious George said:
If the idea is to sell them to suckers for big money, there are two problems. The first is that they cannot be legally taken out of Peru. Attempting to do so could get you put in a Peruvian prison, which are not pleasant places.
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Incedulity: assumes people never take stuff out of Peru illegally.
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More than 380 wildlife species (211 birds, 101 mammals, 47 reptiles, seven amphibians and 17 invertebrates) have been illegally traded from across Peru to meet worldwide demand.​

Curious George said:

The second is that if a Russian or Saudi millionaire (for example) paid good money for an alien mummy and then found out that it was a fake, it might end up badly for the seller.
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More incredulity, and speculation.
Well, I'm incredulous that they'd be able to find the original seller, or even find out it's fake.
Curious George said:

5) There are apparently eggs in the abdomens of several small mummies. These eggs seem to match the age of the rest of the body parts, circa 1000 years. Does it make sense that a modern fraudster would of [gone] through the trouble of inserting eggs (one of which is only millimeters in length) in a mummy when these would be invisible without an x-ray?
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Argument from incredulity.
Have the eggs actually been carbon-dated?
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6) According to several orthopedic doctors, some of the long bones showed clear signs of osteoporosis, which is EXTERMELY rare in children... so ???
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So?
Argument from incredulity.
Curious George said:

7) The being are apparently covered with skin that also dates to 1000 [years old] and has some reptilian properties. This skin needs to be tested.
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Hasn't it been tested? What would you test it for? Why test only the skin?
He wouldn't be alluding to "reptilian" aka "lizard men" conspiracy theories here, right?
Curious George said:
There are many more anomalies that indicate that these may be made in ancient times for ritualistic or some other purposes which would make them important.
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Are there, though? Is 1000 years ago "ancient times"? Do we have any indications that middle-american cultures ever used "little mummies constructed from Llama skulls" for rituals or "some other purposes"? This is baseless speculation.
Pro tip: anything without provenance is never "important" for historical research.
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The Russian documentary that Nolan posted is sarcastic and condenscending
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argument by feeling offended?
people can be sarcastic and condescending and still be correct, especially if their "research" didn't stop at incredulity and speculation.
Curious George said:

and assumes that because certain aspects are "debunked" that these are merely obvious hoaxes by some modern fraudster.
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Why would he not assume that?
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While that may turn out to be the case,
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Good.
Curious George said:

I still have many questions about [...] scientists with the proper tools and expertise will do the test necessary to resolve all of the many questions that remain.
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Translation: "do the homework I assign you, or I'll adhere to my irrational belief."
This is not the threat he thinks it is.
Curious George said:

My understanding is that the ICA University where some of these mummies are now being kept, is open to the participation of such scientists and experts.
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Yes, but the "experts" don't care to examine a proven hoax with no provenance unless you pay them well.
Curious George said:

I would add that Jaime Maussan is doing a disservice to the research and to his own reputation by making unfounded declarations about the mummies.
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I would add that your own declarations are very much unfounded. It's ok when you do it?
Curious George said:
This quote from the independent article is misleading in several ways.
"These specimen are not part of ..."
-William Galison
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The author struggles to retain his belief that the mummies are somehow important, in the face of them having been revealed as a hoax. But the only arguments supporting this irrational notion are incredulity and speculation. While these types of arguments are common in conspiracy theory circles, they rarely align with reality, and the FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) they engender are not conducive to people's mental health.
 
One possibility that may explain the C14 results is that these 'mummies' were made hundreds of years ago and recently discovered, or (more prosaically) that they include material from ancient remains incorporated into a modern hoax.

Neither option would require any alien connection.
 
Eburacum said:
One possibility that may explain the C14 results is that these 'mummies' were made hundreds of years ago and recently discovered, or (more prosaically) that they include material from ancient remains incorporated into a modern hoax.

Neither option would require any alien connection.
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Very true. There's more old organic material laying around than most people expect, especially in places with dry climates. You can probably find old sunbleached chunks of wood in any desert easily a few hundred years old.
 
Eburacum said:
One possibility that may explain the C14 results is that these 'mummies' were made hundreds of years ago and recently discovered, or (more prosaically) that they include material from ancient remains incorporated into a modern hoax.

Neither option would require any alien connection.
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Do we have records of any actual C14 dating being done, beyond "Jamie Maussan said"?
What exactly was tested?
 
Mick West said:
Ryan Graves issued a statement on TwitterX

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After the U.S. Congressional UFO hearing, I accepted an invitation to testify before the Mexican Congress hoping to keep up the momentum of government interest in pilot experiences with UAP. Unfortunately, yesterday’s demonstration was a huge step backwards for this issue. My testimony centered on sharing my experience and the UAP reports I hear from commercial and military aircrew through ASA’s witness program. I will continue to raise awareness of UAP as an urgent matter of aerospace safety, national security, and science, but I am deeply disappointed by this unsubstantiated stunt.
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Translation: "These people selling homebrew mummies as ancient aliens on the same event makes me selling Starlink sightings as unidentified threats to aviation look bad."
 
Is this not an excellent example on how easy it is to convince most of the ufo True Believers? Have a peak over at reddit and you will see that most believe it, even with this damning evidence it is all bs.
 
Cogg84 said:
I’m so confused. Just to be clear the “aliens” on the left are from the Mexico UAP conference. And the picture on the right is a different “alien” with no head?

So the “aliens” on the left are posable? Even though they are fossilized?
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No. They aren’t posable. They are rigid, but they were “discovered” in different poses.
 
Mendel said:
Do we have records of any actual C14 dating being done, beyond "Jamie Maussan said"?
What exactly was tested?
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Yes.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.co...-comprobado-vida-extraterrestre-en-un-estudio
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The Institute of Physics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM) ... determined, through carbon 14 analysis, that they were buried for a millennium inside a diatom, a type of algae that does not allow the growth of bacteria or fungi, which made their preservation possible. [The analysis was of] mummies found in Peru in 2017.

He pointed out that because it is a commercial agreement, he cannot reveal more details, although he reported that in May 2017 the LEMA carried out a Carbon 14 dating study on a set of samples that, according to the information provided by the client, were made of skin and fabric. brain of approximately 0.5 grams.

The studies, he added, were issued in June of the same year and delivered to the user who requested it.
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