NorCal Dave
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The claim of recovered materials from UFOs, crashed or otherwise, comes in various forms and pops up in various UFO/UAP related threads. These claims can also derail other threads as the notion of recovered meta materials is a small or tangential part of a greater claim. The case of whistleblower David Grusch comes to mind. One of his many claims involves reverse engineering of "materials of non-human origins", which can lead to Gary Nolen and Jaque Vallee's work on supposed UFO material and then Tom DeLong's TTSA (To The Stars Acadamy)'s claim of meta-materials and onto the late Art Bells' collection of "Art's Parts". All of which can get off the main topic in a hurry.
I'm not sure each above mentioned claim needs its own thread, as the central claims are pretty similar: "These are exotic meta-materials from UFOs and we've tested them". And as we'll see, it's often the same bits of stuff. So, it seemed a discussion on the notion of alien meta-materials that can be referenced when the subject comes up in other threads might be a good idea. At the very least, when alien meta-materials is mentioned we can quickly find and copy the relevant information from a single source.
There is a short thread here from 2019 that concerned TTSA's claims of having meta-materials and what they were going to do with them, so I'll only touch on a few items about TTSA. More importantly, it became clear in this thread that what DeLong's TTSA had and was talking about is Art's Parts:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ttsas-metamaterials.10840/
Art's Parts
The most well-known collection of supposedly alien meta-materials is Art's Parts. These were bits of material sent to the late Art Bell by an anonymous listener to Art Bell's radio talk show Coast to Coast AM. It was a syndicated late-night show that often delved into fringe subjects including UFOs and the paranormal.
The person that sent the materials claimed they were recovered from the alien space craft that crashed in Roswell in 1947:
Here is the text of the letter that accompanied the materials. I'm including the entire thing as this has been on the Wayback machine for quite a while now, so if it goes away, we'll have it here. It's a fun and quick read, but I've bolded the important bits. Also, I'm just concerned with the materials for this thread and not the various other wild claims in these letters:
https://web.archive.org/web/20010614020521/http://www.artbell.com/roscrash.html
Bell had someone examine these samples and concluded they were in fact aluminum:
This was talked about on Bell's show and prompted "A Friend" to send a follow up letter which again I'll include all of for posterity, but I've bolded the relevant parts:
So again, the original samples are aluminum, but now he includes a new sample from the hull(?) or exterior of the alien craft. It's described as "layered". This appears to be the bismuth/magnesium layered sample that became the well-known Art's Part and was championed by Coast to Coast AM regular and UFO researcher Linda Multon Howe. "A Friend" sent a letter to her and maybe Bell as well, around the time he sent the sample to Bell. Again, presented here in full, with bolding as needed, but it is an interesting read for anyone that's looked into UFOlogy:
The initial report about the second set of samples concluded that it was layers of magnesium, zinc and bismuth (bold by me):
This is obviously a description of a video of the experiment, and as it's on the Wayback machine I can't get anything to display. Others may have better luck. Maybe more interesting is the scientist is Travis Taylor, though he's not referred to as "Dr." Taylor.
However, there is a video from '04 with Linda Howe giving a presentation about the material in question. It's a bit of a slog, but I tried to queue it up (42:56) below where she talks about asking for help on the radio, presumably on Bell's Coast to Coast AM and gets response from an engineer and physicist from Huntsville AL named Travis Taylor that offers to help her. She then plays an audio recording of him and then shows some clips from the experiment. It looks like the 4:20 timestamp in the above quote where the sample jumps around and moves. She also claims the experiment took place in 1996:
Source: https://youtu.be/pfLUAiTnlcw?t=2576
The Dr. Travis Taylor from the UAP Task Force and Secrets of Skinwalker Ranch didn't receive his first PhD until 1999:
The voice on the audio tape sounds a lot like the Travis Taylor that appears on TV nowadays, he has the same name and is in Huntsville. If Howe is to be believed, Taylor was looking to get into UFO/fringe stuff back in the '90s, going so far as volunteering and offering his services to UFO/fringe media personalities.
I'll note too, that in all of this, Linda Moulton Howe takes the above copied letters from "A Friend" concerning the origin of these samples as prima facia. The samples were collected by a member of the Roswell crashed saucer recovery team in White Sands NM, that's a fact. The layered sample was collected from the hull or outer shell of the crashed craft, that's a fact. These materials are alien in origin before any testing is done, that's a fact. The testing is being done to understand them, not confirm that they are alien, because that's already been established by the letters describing their origins.
All of these experiments seem to conclude that Art's Parts consisted of pieces of aluminum or some layered pieces of magnesium, zinc and bismuth. That is, they are all earth type elements with nothing particularly exotic about them. The big claim became that the aluminum was very pure and nobody on earth could create the layered magnesium and bismuth sample. Therefore, it was alien and very anomalists.
At least one of the people Howe gave the sample to for testing disagrees with her finding it an anomaly:
Note also, the suggestion that running voltage through any metal can make it jump. This an obvious reference to the Travis Taylor experiment mentioned above. If true and if in the experiment only the layered sample moved around, was Taylor engaging in a bit of scientific theater even back then?
The ufowatchdaog.com had the full report from Reiter with important excerpts below:
When testing for unusual properties there was a lot of:
Reiter concluded:
It should be noted that Reider is not materials scientist or specialist as far as I can tell, and I found afew suggestions that he was into anti-gravity type stuff and had down workd for Howe in the past. But he did explain his tests and shared his results which Howe choose to ignor:
Not only do we have Travis Taylor again, but it mentions him working for the DIA. The DIA is where AASWAP would eventually operate under James Lacatski. Hmmm.
What can be said about Art's Parts, is there is nothing unearthly about them. They are composed of elements found here on earth. They do not seem to exhibit any exotic properties or any special features other than the layering of magnesium and bismuth. IF the MgBi layered sample is industrial waste from the Betterton-Krohl process, than Howe's inability to find anybody that can make it may be a result of not looking in the right place. Note in the blurb above Howe claims:
Even then, most of the dross is then treated again to recover the bismuth so it can be sold:
The biggest producer of lead in the US closed many of its smelting operations in the last 20 years:
So, IF the layered sample is a bit of waste from lead ore smelting, it's going to be somewhat rare bit of material from a niche process in a specialized field. But not alien.
Science podcaster and Chemical Engineer, Chris Cogswell echoed the B-K process as a possibility:
TTSA and Art's Parts
Nevertheless, Tom DeLong got in on the "meta-material from UFOs" bandwagon in 2019. As mentioned above, there is a short thread on this already. I'll repost how @igoddard started that thread with a bit of bolding by me:
Clearly if these meta-materials were owned by and researched by Linda Moulton Howe, then they are obviously Art's Parts. Note the comment about the "varying levels of chain-of-custody documentation". Is he referring to the letters from "A Friend"?
Also from that thread, an archived tweet from DeLong about the layered sample being a possible propulsion system:
An idea that seems to have originated with Travis Taylor, and something DeLong reiterated on Joe Rogan:
Clearly there was nothing new here, TTSA just had Art's Parts. The only interesting thing not covered in the original thread is who sold the parts to TTSA. Turns out it was DeLong himself:
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1710274/000114420419046318/tv530141_ex6-22.htm
So, DeLong somehow got Art's Parts from Howe then sold them for $35k to his own company TTSA. The company he was encouraging people to invest in, and the company that people like Chris Mellon did invest in. Sound a bit like Adam Newman, the founder and CEO of WeWork, copyrighting the word "WE" and then selling the rights back to WeWork.
Nothing ever seems to have come from TTSA's ownership of Art's Parts.
Nolen and Vallee's Parts
Gary Nolen is an Immunologist at Stanford University. He got involved with noted UFO researcher Jacques Vallee and many of the Skinwalker Ranch crowd. At first, he did biological studies, but then got out of his field and started doing materials analysis. Here he is being interviewed (Thanks to @Ann K for finding this article):
He describes what sounds like bits of junk:
He then says he tested some material from the 1957 Ubatuba UFO incident Brazil (bold by me):
He concludes these materials have very strange isotopes of Mg. That may be, but they also may have nothing to do with Ubatuba or a UFO there (bold by me):
So, we have a piece of a UFO that was anonymously sent to a journalist with a letter describing how it was found. This sounds very familiar. This is just the problem in Brazil before the samples made there way to the US:
There is no telling what Nolen was testing. It seems that Peter A. Sturrock, also of Stanford, and Pierre Kaufmann had studied the supposed Ubatuba case back in 2004. From the introduction to their study we have more confirmation of the above claim that the materials lack any known providence and provenance beyond being mailed to journalist:
Sturrock and Kaufmann even provide a text of the letter that accompanied the sample(s):
One has to wonder if "A Friend" was familiar with this case and used it for inspiration when he sent Art his parts some 40 years later. As for the Ubatuba UFO story as told through the letter, there appeared to be NO confirmation at all:
Some people went back in 1982 and asked around and still couln't find anyone that could confirm the UFO story. One person said there was a plane crash in the same year, but that was it. However, others told of a story from ~1933 and described what sounded like a meteor falling:
Various people continued to research this case up into the '90s, so 30-40 later or a good 60 years later if it was from the early '30s. As one would expect, later stories became 2nd and 3rd hand and seemed to confabulate events in 1933 and 1957, though they all seem to sound more like a meteorite than a UFO. Also included in many of these stories is the notion of a fisherman collecting the material.
The article ends with these 2 items. A list of possibilities concerning the material coming from somewhere other than Ubatuba:
And the witness they did talk too didn't remember any UFO cases, just faked ones:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237309319_On_Events_Possibly_Related_to_the_''Brazil_Magnesium
This is a roundabout way to say, whatever piece of Mg Gary Nolen was testing, the idea that it was from a UFO is almost completely false, regardless of what isotopes are claimed to have been found. At best, though very unlikely, is it might have been a bit of a meteorite.
Apparently, Nolen is going to build a device that can analyze this stuff better. I'll let other weigh in the device he is describing:
Jacque Vallee's meta-material is from the Trinty Saucer crash in New Mexico in 1945, described in his latest self-published book Trintiy: The Best-Kept Secret, written with Paola Harris of MUFON.
In the book, Jose Pedilla, who claimed to remove the meta-material from a crashed alien space craft when he 7-8 years old. Skeptical UFO researsher Douglass Johnson notes a few things about this claim:
Here is Jose with the meta-material:
I suppose it's hard to reverse engineer it, if Jose is still hanging on to it. Even Vallee had his doubts as Johnson uses quotes from the book to point out, but under the influance of Harris, Vallee seems to engage ins some cognitive dissonance:
Note that, in addition to Mexico using the metric system, maybe the aliens did also.
Basically, Vallee has invested himself in a rambling story told 75 years after the fact by unreliable witness. But if he admits fully that what Pedilla has is just a bracket from some farm equipment, then that means Pedilla didn't get it from inside a crashed craft, and that story is false. If that's the case, the story of the army wanting it back may be false as is the story of the craft crashing at all, so it has to be something unusual to preserve the weak story its linked to. Johnson does a complete take down of Trinity: The Best-Kept Secret here: https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/. This isn't the thread for it.
So, it would seem all the talking of meta-materials and the reverse engineering of said materials refers almost exclusively to earthly materials that do nothing very strange but are all linked to UFOs through unsubstantiated here-say, anonymous witness and wishful thinking. None of the meta-materials have any useful history or provenance connecting them to their supposed origins. In addition, aside from a "bracket", most of the materials are bits of junk that are shared around the UFOlogy commuity as unique off-world wonders and some of their unique properties such as possible levitation stems from Travis Talylor. So, Skinwalker Ranch strikes again.
I'm not sure each above mentioned claim needs its own thread, as the central claims are pretty similar: "These are exotic meta-materials from UFOs and we've tested them". And as we'll see, it's often the same bits of stuff. So, it seemed a discussion on the notion of alien meta-materials that can be referenced when the subject comes up in other threads might be a good idea. At the very least, when alien meta-materials is mentioned we can quickly find and copy the relevant information from a single source.
There is a short thread here from 2019 that concerned TTSA's claims of having meta-materials and what they were going to do with them, so I'll only touch on a few items about TTSA. More importantly, it became clear in this thread that what DeLong's TTSA had and was talking about is Art's Parts:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ttsas-metamaterials.10840/
Art's Parts
The most well-known collection of supposedly alien meta-materials is Art's Parts. These were bits of material sent to the late Art Bell by an anonymous listener to Art Bell's radio talk show Coast to Coast AM. It was a syndicated late-night show that often delved into fringe subjects including UFOs and the paranormal.
The person that sent the materials claimed they were recovered from the alien space craft that crashed in Roswell in 1947:
Here is the text of the letter that accompanied the materials. I'm including the entire thing as this has been on the Wayback machine for quite a while now, so if it goes away, we'll have it here. It's a fun and quick read, but I've bolded the important bits. Also, I'm just concerned with the materials for this thread and not the various other wild claims in these letters:
External content from here unless otherwise noted:April 10th, 1996
Art Bell
P.O. Box 4755
Pahrump, Nevada 89041-4755
Dear Mr. Bell,
I've followed your broadcasts over the last year or so, and have been considering whether or not to share with you and your listeners, some information related to the Roswell UFO crash.
My grandfather was a member of the Retrieval Team, sent to the crash site, just after the incident was reported. He died in 1974, but not before he had sat down with some of us, and talked about the incident.
I am currently serving in the military, and hold a Security Clearance, and do NOT wish to "go public", and risk losing my career and commission.
Nonetheless, I would like to briefly tell you what my own grandfather told me about Roswell. In fact, I enclose for your safekeeping "samples" that were in the possession of my grandfather until he died, and which I have had since his own estate was settled. As I understand it, they came from the UFO debris, and were among a large batch subsequently sent to Wright-Patterson AFB in Ohio from New Mexico.
My grandfather was able to "appropriate" them, and stated that the metallic samples, are "pure extract aluminum". You will note that they appear old & tempered, and they have been placed in tissue-paper, and in baggies for posterity.
I have had them since 1974, and after considerable thought and reflection, give them to you. Feel free to share them with any of your friends in the UFO Research Community.
I have listened to many people over the years discuss Roswell and the crash events, as reported by many who were either there or who heard about it from eyewitnesses.
The recent Roswell movie, was similar to my grandfather's own account, but a critical element was left out, and it is that element which I would like to share.
As my grandad stated, the Team arrived at the crash site just after the AAF/USAF reported the ground zero location. They found two dead occupants, hurled free of the Disc.
A lone surviving occupant, was found within the Disc, and it was apparant, it's left leg was broken. There was a minimal radiation contamination, and it was quicky dispersed with a water/solvent wash, and soon the occupant was dispatched for medical assistance and isolation. The bodies were sent to the Wright-Patterson AFB, for dispersal. The debris was also loaded onto three trucks which finished the on-load just before the sunset.
Grandad was part of the Team that went with the surviving occupant. The occupant communicated via telepathic means. It spoke perfect english, and communicated the following:
The Disc was a "probeship" dispatched from a "launchship" that was stationed at the dimensional gateway to the Terran Solar System, 32 light years from Terra. They had been conducting operations on Terra for over 100 years.
Another group were exploring Mars, and Io.
Each "probeship" carried a crew of three. A "launchship" had a crew of (100) one-hundred.
The Disc that crashed, had collided with a meteor in orbit of Terra, and was attempting to compensate it's flight vector, but because of the collision, the inter-atmospheric propulsion system malfunctioned, and the occupants sent out a distress signal to their companions on Mars. The "launchship" commander made the decision to authorize an attempted soft-landing on the New Mexican desert. At the same time, the inter-atmospheric propulsion system had a massive electrical burn-out, and the Disc was soon virtually helpless.
There was another option available to the occupants, but it involved activating the Dimensional powerplant for deep space travel. However, it opens an energy vortex around the Disc for 1,500 miles in all directions. Activating the Dimensional powerplant, would have resulted in the annihilation of the states of New Mexico, Arizona, California and portions of Mexico. Possibly even further states would have been affected.
Thus, the occupants, chose to ride the ship down, and hope for the best. They literally sacrificed their lives, rather than destroy the populations within their proximity.
The Dimensional powerplant was self-destructed, and the inter-atmospheric propulsion system was also deactivated, to prevent the technology from falling into the hands of the Terrans. This was done in accordance with their standing orders in regards to any compromise with contact experiences.
Grandad spent a total of 26 weeks in the Team that examined and debriefed the lone survivor of the Roswell crash. Grandad's affiliation with the "project" ended, when the occupant was to be transported to a long-term facility. He was placed on-board a USAF Transport aircraft, that was to be sent to Washington, D.C.
The aircraft and all aboard disappeared under mysterious and disturbing circumstances, enroute to Washington, D.C.
It may interest you that three Fighter aircraft, dispatched to investigate a distress call from the Transport experienced many electrical malfunctioning systems failures, as they entered the airspace of the transports last reported location. No crash or debris of the Transport was ever found. The Team was disbanded.
Well, I realize I have likely shocked you with this bizzare and incredible account, and seeking to remain "unknown" likely doesn't do anything for my credibility ...eh? And the metal "samples" only will likely add to the controversy.
But, I know you will take this with a "grain of salt", and I don't blame you, Mr. Bell.
I just hope that you can understand, my reasons and my own desire to maintain my career and commission.
I am passing through South Carolina with an Operational Readiness Mobility Exercise, and will mail this just prior to this Exercise, possibly from the Charleston area.
I will listen to your broadcast, to receive any acknowledging or confirmation, that you have received this package.
This letter and the contents of the package are given to you, with the hope that it helps contribute to discussion on the subject of UFO Phenomena.
I agree with Neil Armstrong, a good friend of mine, who dared to say, at the WHITE HOUSE no less, that there are things "out there", which boggle the mind and are far beyond our ability to comprehend.
Sign me,
A Friend
https://web.archive.org/web/20010614020521/http://www.artbell.com/roscrash.html
Bell had someone examine these samples and concluded they were in fact aluminum:
https://web.archive.org/web/20010815220312/http://www.artbell.com/rosreprt.htmA small piece of the vent on one corner was removed for analysis. One edge of this piece corresponds to a slit edge. An SEM image is seen in photo 6. EDS showed it to consist primarily of aluminum (Fig. 8). This was similar for the three different sections that seemed to have a different textural appearance. Granules seen at high magnification exhibited the EDS pattern shown in Fig. 9. In this case the granules showed a content similar to the metal strip granules -- i.e. aluminum with small amounts of iron, manganese, calcium and silicon.
This was talked about on Bell's show and prompted "A Friend" to send a follow up letter which again I'll include all of for posterity, but I've bolded the relevant parts:
So, whatever "A Friend" sent, he seemed to believe it was aluminum or pure aluminum as Bell's people concluded. Despite his fear of being caught or court marshaled, he in fact did communicate with Bell again in an undated letter. I've bolded relevant parts:April 22, 1996
Art Bell
P.O. Box 4755
Pahrump, Nevada 89041-4755
Mr. Bell,
At great risk, I am writing you in regards to the package sent your way. I had opportunity to listen to a tape recording of the radio broadcasts, when I returned home after having participated in the Mobility Readiness Exercises.
My son, a Senior in college recorded them for me.
I must say that I was somewhat surprised by the negative and closed-minded responses directed your way, by some of your own listeners.
You seemed to indicate that receiving the package has vastly upset your life, and in this I would like to say that wasn't my intention, and I offer my apologies.
Further information regarding the Roswell Crash, and my own grandfathers affiliation would likely be potentially beneficial in your efforts at correlation & verification.
In this regards, I can only say, based on past conversations on the subject with Grandad, that the Retrieval Team, consisted of three segments. The On-site Team, the In-House Team, and the Security Team. The credentials of the team members weren't only military related. There were individuals with backgrounds from The University of Colorado,Office of Naval Research, AAF/USAF & US Army, UCLA and Atomic Energy Commision & National Advisory Committee on Aeronautics & Office of Scientific Research and Developement. Additionally, there were Consultants from England, France and Russia involved.
Grandad stated their own analysis of the samples indicated it as pure extract aluminum, as a conductor for the electromagnetic fields created in the propulsion systems. However, critically-needed data was "eliminated" by the self-destruct mechanisms on the disc vehicle itself. Furthermore, the occupant-survivor of the crash, refused to disclose technical information, despite a series of interrogative attempts to extract technological data. No means could be found to secure the information.
There were always two Security Team members present at every face-to-face meeting with the survivor. The survivor had the ability to deduce thoughts and questions, prior to them being asked. Sometimes it became frustrating.
The Disc itself was literally dissected, and it was discovered that the propupsion system had actually fused together the many interior components. There were control-type devises forged in the shape of the alien hand, which were assumed as controls and activation surfaces.
What is today fiber-optic technology, was part and parcel of the alien technology within the control panels, albeit fused and melted when the self-destruct mechanism was activated.
There were Westinghouse-affiliated persons on the Team, and Grandad always thought, some of them had gone back, with the knowledge and incorporated it into the future research with the phone systems.
Of course the Military was concerned as to the ability of the Aliens to enter our atmosphere at will, undetected, and thusly they recommended to the President that a Space Program be set into motion, and that a system of satellites be placed into orbit by 1957, and this satellite system be patched into the then DEW Line early warning system...which became later NORAD.
Grandad stated that it was his opinion, that NORAD was formed not only to track possible ICBM's from hostile nations, but as a established Detection System for UFO craft. That is why the NASA Space Agency has been "incorporated" by and large with our Armed Forces, and there are so many "classified" missions.
This is my oponion, but Grandad prophesied such occuring as far back as 1971.
Well, I am scheduled to travel back to Charleston AFB and then Pope AFB. I'll mail this from somewhere in SC.
I'll not likely communicate again. My wife is concerned, as am I that the Intelligence agencies will put two & two together, so it is inadvisable to further communicate this information. I hope you understand my position.
I could likely face a courts martial or sedition charges, for stating some of this information, and opinions.
You would be surprised at the extent of internal policies on this subject, and the consequences for current commissioned officers talking about UFO Phenomena.
I was surprised by Edgar Mitchell's statements of recent date and I imagine there are many involved with Roswell, who are a bit upset at events underway.
However, he is a man of outstanding character & integrity, and knows whereof he speaks, as do quite a few other astronauts.
I wish you all the best, and will be listening.
I commend your courage and integrity.
I hope your listeners understand, that the subject of Roswell has great potential at extrapolating the truth on UFO's, and what has come to be known as a cosmic watergate, is only the tip of an iceberg.
Grandad said that when the truth does come out, humanity will be changed beyond comprehension. He also said many on the In-House Team lobbied to release the information to the public. Not all of them were paranoid in trusting the public with the truth.
Sign me,Still
A Friend
No Date (arrived May 28, 1996)
Mr. Bell,
I have listened with interests, to the ongoing reports on the samples I sent your way.
I noted that the Researcher discussing the testing of the samples noted that basically, it is merely Aluminum.
Slight variations on the testing, but indistinguishable from "normal" Aluminum.
Actually, this is precisely the same initial findings of Grandad's Team. However, I neglected to include metallic samples of the exterior of the crashed Roswell disc.
I now include the enclosed, and can only say that these scrapings came from the exterior underside of the Disc itself. It literally was a "shell-like" sheilding of the Disc. Brittle and layered, almost with a prefabricated design and placing.
Keep in mind Mr Bell, that these are the last of Grandad's samples. They have sat for years inside a closet, with his personal effects.
Because of certain concerns, I will not be contacting you on this matter. Perhaps, I am a bit paranoid, but I do have a family & career to think about. I hope you understand.
Hope these last samples are helpful.
Of course, I will be listening.
A Friend
So again, the original samples are aluminum, but now he includes a new sample from the hull(?) or exterior of the alien craft. It's described as "layered". This appears to be the bismuth/magnesium layered sample that became the well-known Art's Part and was championed by Coast to Coast AM regular and UFO researcher Linda Multon Howe. "A Friend" sent a letter to her and maybe Bell as well, around the time he sent the sample to Bell. Again, presented here in full, with bolding as needed, but it is an interesting read for anyone that's looked into UFOlogy:
Once again, we have the notion that these materials, while from a crashed alien craft at Roswell, are indistinguishable from Earthly materials. Now were told this is for security, a form of alien camouflage should they crash. Note also we have about 2 more years to wait for complete contact.May 25, 1996
Dear Ms Howe,
I'm not certain if this is how your last name is spelled. Nonetheless, I wanted to "touch base" with you, personally. So I have taken this opportunity to do so.
I'm the individual who has dispatched the "artifacts" of Roswell Disc debris, to talk show Art Bell.
While I was on a flight to Hungary, with Joint Endeavor; my wife acquired your address on a "Dreamland" Broadcast. I've been able until this deployment to listen with interests to your comments & opinions, as to the "artifacts", and noted some apprehension as to the materials, itself. This is fully understandable.
When I decided over 6 months ago, to turn these "artifacts" over to the UFO Research Community, I decided that it would be accomplished by allowing Art Bell to be the mediator/trustee of the "artifacts". Partly because of his record of complete neutrality on these matters, but moreso, because I thought the "artifacts" safety would be insured completely. I regret the undue & unwarranted turmoil, caused to the Bell household, but still feel justified in my initial decision. I've been looking over Grandad's journal, and wanted to share a few brief extractions with you and Mr Bell.
Firstly, I note that the intent of your own efforts as to the exams of the "artifacts" is to confirm some sort of other-world extraterrestial, source of the metals.
This was the initial aspect of the original exams. But, what came to light was that the metal was virtually indiscernable to Earth metals. According to Grandad's notations: "this was to insure that in the event of crash or capture, that no verification as to the alien network or the homeworld confederation could be proven, and a compromise of the Alien directives transpired". Apparantly, "the probeships were constructed with metallic base metals, indistinguishable from Terran metals, as a protective measure & security safeguard".
There was a drawback to this, "a negative consequence was that the probeships would be vulnerable to radar interferance. The Aliens remedy to this was to insure the probeships maintained high velocity trajectories, and activated these velocities upon entering the Terran atmosphere".
Most of the interatmosphere operations, occured in the Western Hemisphere, and in the areas of Europe & Asia, with populations consisting of "network selectees". This was a term that the Aliens used to identify persons destined for contact. These contacts were "conceived & predestined prior to birth" and was "scheduled to be accelerated & increased throughout the three decades prior to 2000 A.C.E., when the network would initiate the "transition".
"Transition" was a term that meant full-contact, occuring around the Terran year 2025.
All this information was acquired from the sole surviving Alien occupant, and was correlated with information retrieved from the databanks of the command console panels within the Disc command center. It took a full year and a half to decipher the Alien language, which resembled ancient Babylonian script. But, with the help of World War II cryptologists who worked with the War Department, the code texts were broken, and deciphered. All the results were shared with the Offices of those overseeing The "Project" as it was known, among them General Curtis Lemay, Secretary of State George Marshall, and President Truman, and the Intelligence operatives, who oversaw Security for the Roswell "Project".
Most of these activities transpired at Wright-Patterson, and would result "in an extensive reformatting of the entire policy developments, regarding potentiol Alien Contact. Upon advice of the "Project" directors, the decision was made to incorporate a discredation campaign on those claiming Alien Contact, and those who advocated Alien existance."
Furthermore, the "Project" directors, recommended that the U.N. be granted overall command authority over the "Project". Both Secretary of Satate Marshall and his successor Dean Acheson argued against this recommendation. President Truman personally visited Wright-Patterson on a number of occasions.
So, you see Ms Howe, that there is alot more to this Roswell "Project" and "incident", then many can even begin to discern or comprehend.
Try to imagine as Grandad, used to say; that it is 1947, and the USA has just survived a global struggle, millions had been killed or injured, and suddenly, even as the dawn of the Atomic age came to being, that the existance of Alien Life has been accidently discovered. Many facets of inquiry were taken into account, and some of the most brilliant & accomplished minds in Government would do anything to ascertain the exact extent and perspective purpose of these Aliens.
What was once considered fiction, was proven reality. Absolutely every attempt was made to exhaust the efforts at understanding & comprehending this extraordinary event. It was decided to keep the information secret, classified and beyond retrieval.
It has been almost 50 years, and the secret has been steadily maintained, protected, and insured. WHY?
Grandad was one who lobbied for full-disclosure. He understood that release of the information could result in chaos, of a sort in civilization. Because of his concern for the safety of his family, he complied with the secrecy oath.
It wasn't until the mid 1960's that he talked with anyone on the "Project". He spoke with one particular person, who had promised confidentiality, and was faithful to that promise. You may have known that person: Dr J. Allen Hynek.
Other than that brief discourse with Dr Hynek, Grandad was silent.
The year 2000 approaches. It is time that the Roswell secret is disclosed. The weight of the evidence will demand a verdict. That verdict will be rendered by the people. Millions have witnessed the UFO Phenomena in the last 50 years.
Virtually thousands have claimed contact with Aliens. What happened at Roswell was a beginning. Not a beginning of the end of civilization, as some feared if the information was disclosed. But, actually a beginning of beginnings.
One can argue the impact of an accidental discovery of this magnitude.
50 years of UFO Phenomena have occurred for a purpose. A stellar purpose predetermined since that first A-Bomb was detonated in New Mexico.
Humanity has survived in spite of itself. Because of itself.
I believe that the "Transition" Grandad wrote of is underway. What I've shared with Art Bell, you, and the entire world was done in Honor of a quiet and courageous gentleman who was a witness to the wonders of this Universe.
Our world is changing.
Nothing can stop that. Nothing.
This concludes my own part in what lies ahead. I now go back to my career & responsibilities, to my family and my own life. I have dared to risk, and no matter the consequenced, I am confident Grandad would support this action.
You have the "evidence", some have sought for and demanded.
Of course, for some it will not be enough. Discount it, discredit it, so be it. It matters little in the final analysis...sound & fury signifying nothing.
The Truth will come out about Roswell.
Indeeed, it has come out. Was it not a Honorable man who once stated: "Ye shall know the Truth, and it shall set you free"?
I wish you and Art Bell, all the Best!
A Friend
The initial report about the second set of samples concluded that it was layers of magnesium, zinc and bismuth (bold by me):
Ms. Howe also took the samples to a Travis Taylor for further testing, described here:Samples of material newly acquired by Art were obtained (from Art) on May 31,1996. These were very different from the aluminum specimens received earlier. The material was in two main pieces (see Photo 1): one, designated sample 1, was approximately 6 cm by 3 cm and about 3-4 mm in thickness; the other, sample 2, was about 5 cm by 2.5 cm and again a 3-4 thickness. Sample 1 weighed 6.23 gm; and sample 2 weighed 6.9 gm. The shape of each sample was quite irregular, and the thickness in each case varied in different areas. It is emphasized that these measurements are meant to provide only some notion of the general size of the specimens.
Each sapmle had a "silvery," shiny side with a rough (granular) appearance. The other side was blackish-gray. Looking at the samples edge-on, numerous layers can be seen. The samples were hard but brittle, and a few small pieces could be broken off using a small hand vice and manual pressure. Two such samples broken off were analyzed (side by side) by scanning electron microscopy (SEM); one was shiny side up-- the other was dark side up. Photo 2 shows a portion of both pieces; the shiny side up is in the lower right, while the dark side is in the upper left. Photo 3 shows the shiny side-up piece and includes a view of the edge where the layering can be noted. Photo 4 and photo 5 show higher magnifications of the shiny side. Energy dispersive spectroscopy (EDS) revealed the the shiny side contained more than 95% magnesium (Mg) and a small amount (2-3%) of zinc (Zn) (Fig. 1). The dark side contained a significant amount of bismuth (Bi) (Fig. 2).
A small piece was embedded in epoxy, cut through, and polished in such a way that a cross section of the layering could be visualized. Photos 6,7, and 8 show images of the cross section at different magnifications. In these cases we utilized a backscattering mode which shows heavier elements to be brighter than less-heavy elements. As seen in the photos there are layers of lighter (less bright) material separated by much thinner layers of heavier (brighter) material. When EDS scans were done on the lighter material, a high level of magnesium was observed, again with a small amount of zinc (Fig. 3); whereas scans of the bright material showed a significant content of bismuth (Fig. 4). The thickness of the "bismuth layers" appear to be only a few microns. As seen in photo 6 and photo 7, there are apparent "bismuth layers" that appear less bright than others. Possibly this relates to a lower concentration of bismuth, or the bands occur slightly below the surface being examined. Additional studies will be necessary to determine which, if either, of these interpretations is correct.
Thus the material appears to represent layers of a substance consisting mainly of magnesium and a small amount of zinc separated by thin layers containing a high bismuth content.
https://web.archive.org/web/20010614020521/http://www.artbell.com/roscrash.htmlHere is the original camcorder video by Travis Taylor photographed thursday September 12, with Emory Scientific small Van de Graaf generator. Webster's definition of a Van de Graaf generator is "An electrostatic generator in which electric charge is either removed from or transferred to a large hollow spherical electrode by a rapidly moving belt, in some configurations producing potentials over a million volts, and used with an acceleration tube as an electron or ion accelerator." Inventor was Robert Jemison Van de Graaf, American physicist, 1901-1967.
This demonstration by Travis Taylor involved about 500,000 volts of electrostatic field with bismuth/magnesium piece compared to a piece of aluminum cut from a pop can.
Starting with 00:00 at first frame of colored picture forward, the sequences are:
- 00:00 Intro
- :43 Close-up Van de Graaf generator first with bismuth/mag piece on it. Piece jumps vertically upward - normal influence of a strong ellectrostatic field.
- 1:20 Puts aluminun piece in for comparision. Does same thing.
- 2:10 Puts plastic lid on generator to act as an insulator.
- 2:47 Bis/Mag moves a little by itself, sideways, not up and down. Dark bis side up.
- 3:00 Travis puts his index finger down through field to change shape of field lines to see if more effect on bis/mag. Some erratic movement toward and away from hisfinger.
- 3:45 Tries metal electrode with no significant result.
- 4:00 More electrode, moves a little.
- 4:20 Bis/Mag moves by itself in considerable sideways motion and falls off insulator cap. (637K Executable File)
- 4:29 Aluminum on insulator - no movement at all.
- 5:07 Bis/Mag with black bismuth side up. Nothing much happens.
- 5:20 Travis flips piece over so silver magnesium is on top - then there is more sideways motion when his finger enters the field. (601K Executable File)
- 6:20 Aluminum piece back on insulator cap; Travis using finger. But aluminum does not move around like bis/mag.
- 6:50 Travis summary.
- 8:30 END.
This is obviously a description of a video of the experiment, and as it's on the Wayback machine I can't get anything to display. Others may have better luck. Maybe more interesting is the scientist is Travis Taylor, though he's not referred to as "Dr." Taylor.
However, there is a video from '04 with Linda Howe giving a presentation about the material in question. It's a bit of a slog, but I tried to queue it up (42:56) below where she talks about asking for help on the radio, presumably on Bell's Coast to Coast AM and gets response from an engineer and physicist from Huntsville AL named Travis Taylor that offers to help her. She then plays an audio recording of him and then shows some clips from the experiment. It looks like the 4:20 timestamp in the above quote where the sample jumps around and moves. She also claims the experiment took place in 1996:
Source: https://youtu.be/pfLUAiTnlcw?t=2576
The Dr. Travis Taylor from the UAP Task Force and Secrets of Skinwalker Ranch didn't receive his first PhD until 1999:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_S._TaylorTaylor earned a B.S. in electrical engineering from Auburn University in 1991, before going on to study at University of Alabama, Huntsville where he earned a MS in physics in 1994, a PhD in optical science and engineering in 1999, and a MSE in mechanical and aerospace engineering in 2001. He then completed a MS in astronomy in 2004 at the University of Western Sydney before earning a second PhD from University of Alabama, Huntsville in aerospace engineering in 2012.[3][4] [5]
The voice on the audio tape sounds a lot like the Travis Taylor that appears on TV nowadays, he has the same name and is in Huntsville. If Howe is to be believed, Taylor was looking to get into UFO/fringe stuff back in the '90s, going so far as volunteering and offering his services to UFO/fringe media personalities.
I'll note too, that in all of this, Linda Moulton Howe takes the above copied letters from "A Friend" concerning the origin of these samples as prima facia. The samples were collected by a member of the Roswell crashed saucer recovery team in White Sands NM, that's a fact. The layered sample was collected from the hull or outer shell of the crashed craft, that's a fact. These materials are alien in origin before any testing is done, that's a fact. The testing is being done to understand them, not confirm that they are alien, because that's already been established by the letters describing their origins.
All of these experiments seem to conclude that Art's Parts consisted of pieces of aluminum or some layered pieces of magnesium, zinc and bismuth. That is, they are all earth type elements with nothing particularly exotic about them. The big claim became that the aluminum was very pure and nobody on earth could create the layered magnesium and bismuth sample. Therefore, it was alien and very anomalists.
At least one of the people Howe gave the sample to for testing disagrees with her finding it an anomaly:
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/howeufodebris.htm...ufowatchdog.com just wants to remind folks of a little known scientific report compiled at the request of Linda Howe. In the report seen below, scientific technologist Nicholas A. Reiter examined the alleged UFO crash debris, he also successfully replicated the metal and presented Howe with a sample. ufowatchdog.com was told by Reiter that Howe reportedly scoffed at the results of the report because the replicated material was not 100% "exactly" like the alleged UFO crash debris Howe has been advertising as being mysterious. Reiter stated in a letter to ufowatchdog.com, " [Linda's] opinion was that what I had offered had no resemblance to her sample. But she never did make any detailed and accurate reference to it either."
Reiter also mentioned that Howe was reporting the mystery metal would move when high voltage was applied to it. Reiter stated that a piece of a soda can, or just about any metal for that matter, would move with enough voltage running through it.
Note also, the suggestion that running voltage through any metal can make it jump. This an obvious reference to the Travis Taylor experiment mentioned above. If true and if in the experiment only the layered sample moved around, was Taylor engaging in a bit of scientific theater even back then?
The ufowatchdaog.com had the full report from Reiter with important excerpts below:
Confirms Howes previous EDS and SIMS testing as to what the sample was.A Tracor Northern 5400 EDS X ray analyzer was used to examine compositions of both silvery and blackish regions. The silvery region is shown to be relatively pure Mg, with a small signal for Zn; perhaps indicating about 2 to 3% of the latter. The blackish region appears to be primarily Bi. Please reference attached EDS print-outs. Again, this corroborates results from earlier EDS and SIMS work done elsewhere.
It's not radioactive.The larger artifact portion was tested with a Baird Atomic 914-434 Ratemeter (Geiger Counter). No indications of radioactivity were noted.
No strange isotopes of Mg seem to be present. More on isotopes latter with Dr. Nolen.Questions had been raised by LMH as to whether the materials in the artifact were of common (predominant or stable) isotope. The only testing possible at this location for this purpose was a simple Archimedian volume versus weight test. The volume of the large artifact portion was determined by displacement of water in a pipette. Correcting for estimated volumes of Zn and Bi, a calculated weight was derived for the artifact, given the textbook densities for Mg24 , Zn, and Bi. This value was calculated to be .5155g. The artifact was then weighed with a Stanton CL1 lab balance, and actual weight over three trials was found to be .5115g, about 0.7% lighter than the calculated value. From this, we may say that the artifact, while possibly containing small percentages of heavier Mg isotopes, does not appear to be primarily composed of Mg25 or Mg26.
No current or voltage in the sample.A Fluke 79 DVM was used to look for any voltage potentials or currents which (by some hypotheses) might be produced by the layering of dissimilar metals or other more unusual mechanisms. None were detected in the range of the meter.
Not superconducting.It had been suggested that the layered structure of the artifact resembled proposed structures for high temperature filamentary superconductors. A small NdFeB super magnet was used in an attempt to elicit a Meissner Effect reaction with the artifact, both at room temperature, and in a beaker of liquid nitrogen. No effect was noticed.
When testing for unusual properties there was a lot of:
Howe seemed to have told that the layered sample may have been part of a "lifting" or maybe anti-gravity device that weighs less when voltage was applied to it. Maybe even floats if enough voltage was applied, which Reiter responded to:No unusual effects or responses were noted.
No fluorescence or unusual response was noted.
No unusual responses were noted.
No mention of who the source is. But there is also this paragraph from the end of the report:It had been suggested to LMH that the artifact structure was possibly indicative of a hypothetical propulsion system, and that extremely high DC potentials applied to the metal structure would cause it to lose weight! To test this idea, the artifact was mounted on a plastic stand, which in turn was placed on a Mettler BasBal 2400 digital lab balance. A very thin lead wire was attached to the artifact with a snippet of conductive tape, and then connected to a HV source. Two sources were used, a +/- 15,000V DC, 60VA supply (GE 9T63Y2226G2) and a small Van De Graaf generator providing about 30 to 50 kV electrostatic potential.
In either case, no weight changes within the resolution of the balance (10mg) were noted when the HV sources were turned on. However, according to LMH’s source, potentials over 1MV might be needed to cause weight loss (?!).
As we'll see, DeLong's TTSA made similar claims about the material being part of a "lifting" device. The above quote seems to be linked to Taylor's experiments and local, though he's not named. Could it be that the idea, still popular in some circles today, about Art's Part having "lifting" properties traces back to Travis Taylor long before he would show up on TV and at Skinwalker Ranch?Claims were made by a Tesla coil enthusiast in Alabama that the portion of the artifact in his possession acted strangely and tried to levitate in the presence of the electrostatic field of a Van de Graaf generator and a radio frequency source. We did perform a separate replication here, and found that our metal fragment danced about as well in the field of a Van de Graaf. And so did a piece of aluminum foil! Please understand that just about any small unattached mass will dance in the field of a 200,000 volt source! The mythos grew…
Reiter concluded:
At the most basic of levels, we would freely state that the artifact portion provided by LMH does NOT seem to be composed of elements or compounds which are unknown. Nor is it composed of alloys that appear to be of a purity or combination beyond the scope of current material science. The artifact bears a strong resemblance to irregular layered residue often found in large physical vapor deposition (PVD) coaters. This family of filming processes includes sputtering, E-beam, and resistively heated thermal evaporation; all common vacuum processes used widely in industry.
The remaining unusual aspect of the artifact is quite simply the combination of Mg and Bi in a single structure.
To date, I have been unable to find any references to uses of Mg and Bi together in one process or product! LMH has claimed that officials at Dow, one of the largest Mg producers in the world, are unaware of any use of Bi in their manufacturing processes.
Then followed up a few years later:My own opinion is that the artifact probably represents a curious piece of industrial by-product from the thin films industry or a Mg casting plant. However, until a match-up is found, I will not rule out the possibility of a more unusual origin.
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/howeufodebris.htmIn 2000, one last revelation came our way on the origin of the artifact. The combination of bismuth and magnesium had eluded us for four years. But then one day, we found a reference to an obscure industrial process used in the refinement of lead. The process, called the Betterton-Krohl Process, uses molten magnesium floated over the surface of liquid lead. The magnesium sucks up, or pulls bismuth impurities out of the lead! Often, the magnesium is used over and over again…
It should be noted that Reider is not materials scientist or specialist as far as I can tell, and I found afew suggestions that he was into anti-gravity type stuff and had down workd for Howe in the past. But he did explain his tests and shared his results which Howe choose to ignor:
One last note from this, ufowatchdog.com copied and pasted an advertisement for DVDs of Howe's lecture, presumably the one in the YouTube video above, so after 2004. It included this interesting blurb (bold by me):Odd that Howe would report everything showing the piece to be unusual, yet not report on the conclusions of the report found below. On a side note, the scientific technologist that compiled this report at the request of Howe is the same scientific technologist Howe used to examine the bogus Brazil UFO Abduction. Howe wasn't apparently satisfied with those results and chose to use someone else to examine the materials after Reiter and another scientist concluded there was nothing unusual about the evidence. Howe went on to champion that case in spite of an analysis done by two scientists she has used in the past without question.
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/howeufodebris.htm" SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE: INVESTIGATIVE UFO SCIENCE AND BISMUTH/MAGNESIUM LAYERING OF ARTIFACT FROM WHITE SANDS, NEW MEXICO IN 1947, with Linda Moulton Howe. Show me the evidence! Find out what it is like to investigate hard evidence when your own government says there is nothing there, universities are scared to use their resources, foundations will not provide funding and peer review science is closed off. The amazing tale of a unique layered metal allegedly removed from a wedge-shaped aerial vehicle of unknown origin at White Sands, New Mexico, in 1947 "I have basically exhausted every resource that I have ever tried to use from about 1940 to now. I have found no reference, even in government research, for bismuth/magnesium layers. This material didn't just make itself. It had to come from somewhere. ...And nobody's told anyone about this material!" Travis Taylor, Physicist working for the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), Redstone Army Arsenal, Huntsville, Alabama. In her presentation Linda will have a physical sample of the unidentified layered metal for the workshop audience to see and touch, plus video and audio excerpted from her 9-year effort to find a source in government, military or civilian sector anywhere in the world with knowledge about layering 1-4 microns of pure bismuth with 100-200 microns of nearly pure magnesium. For more information visit www.Earthfiles.com XCon-728V o UPC 8 82917 07283 3 o 72 min o VHS Video o $24.95 +++ XCon-728D o UPC 8 82917 07289 5 o 72 min o DVD Disk o $24.95 "
Not only do we have Travis Taylor again, but it mentions him working for the DIA. The DIA is where AASWAP would eventually operate under James Lacatski. Hmmm.
What can be said about Art's Parts, is there is nothing unearthly about them. They are composed of elements found here on earth. They do not seem to exhibit any exotic properties or any special features other than the layering of magnesium and bismuth. IF the MgBi layered sample is industrial waste from the Betterton-Krohl process, than Howe's inability to find anybody that can make it may be a result of not looking in the right place. Note in the blurb above Howe claims:
In the video above she plays recordings of her talking to people at places like Dow Chemical, the largest producer of Mg and others that all say they don't make anything like a layered MgBi product. Which is probably true, because if the sample is a bit of industrial waste from the Betterton-Krohl process, she should have been talking to lead smelters:I have found no reference, even in government research, for bismuth/magnesium layers. This material didn't just make itself. It had to come from somewhere. ...And nobody's told anyone about this material!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_smeltingLead is usually smelted in a blast furnace, using the lead sinter produced in the sintering process and coke to provide the heat source.
The crude lead bullion, containing significant quantities of copper will then undergo 'copper drossing'.
The lead from the blast furnace, called lead bullion, then undergoes the drossing process.
Finally, the molten lead is refined. Pyrometallurgical methods are usually used to remove the remaining non-lead components of the mixture, for example the Betterton-Kroll process and the Betts electrolytic process. The non-lead metals are usually sold to other metal processing plants. The refined lead may be made into alloys or directly cast.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betterton–Kroll_processThe Betterton-Kroll Process is a pyrometallurgical process for refining lead from lead bullion (lead that still contains significant amounts of impurities). Developed by William Justin Kroll in 1922, the Betterton–Kroll process is one of the final steps in conventional lead smelting. After gold, copper, and silver are removed from the lead, significant amounts of bismuth and antimony remain. The Betterton–Kroll process is used to remove these impurities. In the process, calcium and magnesium are added to the molten lead at temperatures around 380 °C. The calcium and magnesium react with the bismuth and antimony in the bullion to form alloys with a higher melting point, which then can be skimmed off of the surface.
The alloys produced have a melting point greater than the rest of the metal, so they form a solid film, or dross, on the surface that can be skimmed off.[3] Molten lead can remain trapped in the dross, so the dross is often hydraulically pressed in order to squeeze out any remaining lead.[7] Through this process, the bismuth in solution can be reduced to under 0.01 wt. %(percent by weight).[1]
Even then, most of the dross is then treated again to recover the bismuth so it can be sold:
And this is for lead from ore, while most lead is recycled:After the dross is skimmed off, it can be treated to recover the bismuth. The most common process for this is chlorination of the calcium-magnesium-bismuth alloy.[8] In the chlorination process, chlorine reacts with other metals in the dross and leaves behind high-purity bismuth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_smeltingMost of the lead produced comes from secondary sources. Lead scrap includes lead-acid batteries, cable coverings, pipes, sheets and lead coated, or terne bearing, metals.
The biggest producer of lead in the US closed many of its smelting operations in the last 20 years:
Following the closure of the Herculaneum smelter, metal concentrates from the mines are shipped overseas for smelting.[33]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doe_Run_CompanyIn 2010, after issuance of new stricter EPA lead standards, Doe Run agreed to close the Herculaneum smelter and pay $65 million to correct past violations of the federal Clean Air and Clean Water acts.[16][59][60] The same year, the company announced plans to replace the Herculaneum smelter with an electrowinning plant, which would replace smelting with a contained wet chemical process, reducing emissions by nearly 99 percent.[61] The plans were a result of research the company had been conducting for decades to find a new way to produce lead.[62] Doe Run invested $30 million in developing new technology until the plan was put on hold in 2012.[63][64]
So, IF the layered sample is a bit of waste from lead ore smelting, it's going to be somewhat rare bit of material from a niche process in a specialized field. But not alien.
Science podcaster and Chemical Engineer, Chris Cogswell echoed the B-K process as a possibility:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/qvg...ic-metals-that-might-actually-just-be-bismuth“I'd say that the chances of it being important scientifically are extremely slim. On top of that, it may not be much more than a piece of slag from an industrial process, for instance it has been suggested this may be from the Betterton-Kroll process,” Dr. Chris Cogswell, who holds a PhD in Chemical Engineering and hosts the Mad Scientist Podcast, told Motherboard.
TTSA and Art's Parts
Nevertheless, Tom DeLong got in on the "meta-material from UFOs" bandwagon in 2019. As mentioned above, there is a short thread on this already. I'll repost how @igoddard started that thread with a bit of bolding by me:
https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/b...akes-groundbreaking-metamaterials-acquisition and http://archive.is/VxZtZ
TO THE STARS ACADEMY OF ARTS & SCIENCE MAKES GROUNDBREAKING METAMATERIALS ACQUISITION
July 25, 2019
San Diego, CA (July 25, 2019) - To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science (TTSA) has acquired multiple pieces of metamaterials and an archive of initial analysis and research for their controversial ADAM Research Project. ADAM, an acronym for Acquisition and Data Analysis of Materials, is an academic research program focused on the exploitation of exotic materials for technological innovation.
The ownership of these assets, which were previously retained and studied by investigative journalist Linda Moulton Howe and are reported to have come from an advanced aerospace vehicle of unknown origin, allows TTSA to conduct rigorous scientific evaluations to determine its function and possible applications.
“The structure and composition of these materials are not from any known existing military or commercial application,” says Steve Justice, current COO of To The Stars Academy and former head of Advanced Systems at Lockheed Martin's "Skunk Works." “They've been collected from sources with varying levels of chain-of-custody documentation, so we are focusing on verifiable facts and working to develop independent scientific proof of the materials' properties and attributes. In some cases, the manufacturing technology required to fabricate the material is only now becoming available, but the material has been in documented possession since the mid-1990's. We currently have multiple material samples being analyzed by contracted laboratories and have plans to extend the scope of this study.” TTSA will also seek to engage the potential partners who have expressed interest in helping accelerate ADAM research and development.
“If the claims associated with these assets can be validated and substantiated, then we can initiate work to transition them from being a technology to commercial and military capabilities,” adds Justice. “As noted in our October 2017 TTSA kickoff webcast, technologies that would allow us to engineer the spacetime metric would bring capabilities that would fundamentally alter civilization, with revolutionary changes to transportation, communication, and computation.”
A Public Benefit Corporation, To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science is a consortium of scientists, aerospace engineers, and creatives working collectively to empower gifted researchers the freedom to explore exotic science and technologies with the support to rapidly transition innovative ideas into world-changing products and services.
Clearly if these meta-materials were owned by and researched by Linda Moulton Howe, then they are obviously Art's Parts. Note the comment about the "varying levels of chain-of-custody documentation". Is he referring to the letters from "A Friend"?
Also from that thread, an archived tweet from DeLong about the layered sample being a possible propulsion system:
An idea that seems to have originated with Travis Taylor, and something DeLong reiterated on Joe Rogan:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/qvg...ic-metals-that-might-actually-just-be-bismuthThese are undoubtedly the same materials mentioned by DeLonge on his Joe Rogan interview where he stated, “if you hit it with enough terahertz, it’ll float.”
Clearly there was nothing new here, TTSA just had Art's Parts. The only interesting thing not covered in the original thread is who sold the parts to TTSA. Turns out it was DeLong himself:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/qvg...ic-metals-that-might-actually-just-be-bismuthOn a blog post earlier this week, author and prolific UFO researcher Keith Basterfield posted links to the most recent SEC filings for To the Stars . Dated September 29th, the financial documents include an asset purchase agreement related to the sale of “metal pieces.” To the Stars Academy is listed as the “Buyer” and company CEO Thomas DeLonge is listed as the “Seller.” The price is $35,000. The filings say that a physicist employed by To the Stars named Hal Puthoff is analyzing the metals.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1710274/000114420419046318/tv530141_ex6-22.htm
So, DeLong somehow got Art's Parts from Howe then sold them for $35k to his own company TTSA. The company he was encouraging people to invest in, and the company that people like Chris Mellon did invest in. Sound a bit like Adam Newman, the founder and CEO of WeWork, copyrighting the word "WE" and then selling the rights back to WeWork.
Nothing ever seems to have come from TTSA's ownership of Art's Parts.
Nolen and Vallee's Parts
Gary Nolen is an Immunologist at Stanford University. He got involved with noted UFO researcher Jacques Vallee and many of the Skinwalker Ranch crowd. At first, he did biological studies, but then got out of his field and started doing materials analysis. Here he is being interviewed (Thanks to @Ann K for finding this article):
https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7n...nalyzing-anomalous-materials-from-ufo-crashes
You've also analyzed inanimate materials like alleged UAP fragments...
You've probably heard of Jacques Vallée, Kit Green, Eric Davis and Colm Kelleher. All roads lead to them when it comes to UAP. I basically became friends with that whole group; they call it The Invisible College. When they found out some of the instruments that I had developed, using mass spectrometry, they asked if I could analyze UAP material, and tell them something about it. That led to the development of a roadmap of how to analyze these things.
He describes what sounds like bits of junk:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7n...nalyzing-anomalous-materials-from-ufo-crashesSome of the objects are nondescript, and just lumps of metal. Mostly, there's nothing unusual about them except that everywhere you look in the metal, the composition is different, which is odd. It's what we call inhomogeneous. That’s a fancy way of saying 'incompletely mixed.' The common thing about all the materials that I've looked at so far, and there's about a dozen, is that almost none of them are uniform. They're all these hodgepodge mixtures. Each individual case will be composed of a similar set of elements, but they will be inhomogeneous.
He then says he tested some material from the 1957 Ubatuba UFO incident Brazil (bold by me):
One of the materials from the
https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7n...nalyzing-anomalous-materials-from-ufo-crashesso called Ubatuba event [a UAP event in Brazil], has extraordinarily altered isotope ratios of magnesium. It was interesting because another piece from the same event was analyzed in the same instrument at the same time. This is an extraordinarily sensitive instrument called a nanoSIMS - Secondary Ion Mass Spec. It had perfectly correct isotope ratios for what you would expect for magnesium found anywhere on Earth. Meanwhile, the other one was just way off. Like 30 percent off the ratios. The problem is there's no good reason humans have for altering the isotope ratios of a simple metal like magnesium. There's no different properties of the different isotopes, that anybody, at least in any of the literature that is public of the hundreds of thousands of papers published, that says this is why you would do that. Now you can do it. It's a little expensive to do, but you'd have no reason for doing it.
He concludes these materials have very strange isotopes of Mg. That may be, but they also may have nothing to do with Ubatuba or a UFO there (bold by me):
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2010/05/ubatuba-ufo-sample.htmlThe very first problem is that the magnesium samples that allegedly came from an exploding UFO cannot be traced to the beach in Brazil where they were recovered. Instead, they can be traced to the columnist in Brazil who first reported the case in the newspaper and that alerted Dr. Olavo Fontes (seen here), the APRO Brazilian representative to the crash. No one has ever come forward, nor has anyone been located, who can corroborate the tale told in the letter to the columnist nor who actually saw the explosion or the UFO. The metal appears in the columninst’s hands and from there goes to Fontes, then to Jim and Coral Lorenzen (seen below)at APRO and then to various others. The chain of evidence is severed before we reach the beach in Brazil and that is a real problem.
So, we have a piece of a UFO that was anonymously sent to a journalist with a letter describing how it was found. This sounds very familiar. This is just the problem in Brazil before the samples made there way to the US:
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2010/05/ubatuba-ufo-sample.htmlThird, the samples have been handled in a fairly cavalier fashion. Once they arrived in the United States, no one had kept track of them and it could be argued that the chain of custody was broken here as well. The Air Force destroyed a small sample given them for testing without obtaining any results. The Lorenzens loaned various samples and pieces of samples to any number of people and some of those samples have been lost. In the end, it might be nearly impossible to say that the samples as they exist today are in any way related to those that were first sent to APRO. Dr. Fontes died decades ago, as did the Lorenzens. That is another stumbling block.
There is no telling what Nolen was testing. It seems that Peter A. Sturrock, also of Stanford, and Pierre Kaufmann had studied the supposed Ubatuba case back in 2004. From the introduction to their study we have more confirmation of the above claim that the materials lack any known providence and provenance beyond being mailed to journalist:
Sturrock and Kaufmann even provide a text of the letter that accompanied the sample(s):
One has to wonder if "A Friend" was familiar with this case and used it for inspiration when he sent Art his parts some 40 years later. As for the Ubatuba UFO story as told through the letter, there appeared to be NO confirmation at all:
Some people went back in 1982 and asked around and still couln't find anyone that could confirm the UFO story. One person said there was a plane crash in the same year, but that was it. However, others told of a story from ~1933 and described what sounded like a meteor falling:
Various people continued to research this case up into the '90s, so 30-40 later or a good 60 years later if it was from the early '30s. As one would expect, later stories became 2nd and 3rd hand and seemed to confabulate events in 1933 and 1957, though they all seem to sound more like a meteorite than a UFO. Also included in many of these stories is the notion of a fisherman collecting the material.
The article ends with these 2 items. A list of possibilities concerning the material coming from somewhere other than Ubatuba:
And the witness they did talk too didn't remember any UFO cases, just faked ones:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237309319_On_Events_Possibly_Related_to_the_''Brazil_Magnesium
This is a roundabout way to say, whatever piece of Mg Gary Nolen was testing, the idea that it was from a UFO is almost completely false, regardless of what isotopes are claimed to have been found. At best, though very unlikely, is it might have been a bit of a meteorite.
Apparently, Nolen is going to build a device that can analyze this stuff better. I'll let other weigh in the device he is describing:
Also of note, of his samples only 2 appear anomalist and even then, it's just in the isotope ratios:
Have you ever used a super quantum interference device?
We will likely be using SQUIDs in a new device that can determine the atomic structure of anything, at a sub-angstrom resolution. There's no device in the world that can do that today, especially of an amorphous object. We can do crystals, we can do little bits of biology with what's called cryo-EM. But this device supersedes all of them. So I'm talking with the government about building that.
I'll also let others weigh in on how rare isotopes of certain elements are and if there is any meaning to any of the talk of isotopes.
How many objects have you checked out that are not playing by our rules?
So of the 10 or 12 that I've looked at, two seem to be not playing by our rules. That doesn't mean that they're levitating, on my desk or anything, it just means that they have altered isotope ratios.
Jacque Vallee's meta-material is from the Trinty Saucer crash in New Mexico in 1945, described in his latest self-published book Trintiy: The Best-Kept Secret, written with Paola Harris of MUFON.
In the book, Jose Pedilla, who claimed to remove the meta-material from a crashed alien space craft when he 7-8 years old. Skeptical UFO researsher Douglass Johnson notes a few things about this claim:
https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/crash-story-file-the-alien-artifact-with-metric-dimensions/If Jose Padilla’s story had been that he found the artifact on the ground near the crashed spaceship, believers in the tale could simply say, “Well, obviously Jose jumped to the wrong conclusion—it was just an old piece of junk that happened to be sitting near where the alien spaceship crashed.” But Padilla swears that the artifact was securely pinned to a panel of the interior wall of the alien craft—so well secured that Padilla needed a crowbar and his full strength to pry it off.
Faced with objective physical findings incompatible with an unverified tale of purported events 75 years earlier, one might think that an analyst with a modicum of critical discernment would conclude, “Well, it looks like that old rascal Jose Padilla has been stringing us along.” But regrettably, that has not been Jacques Vallee’s conclusion, as is demonstrated by these passages from the Second Edition of Trinity: The Best-Kept Secret.
Here is Jose with the meta-material:
I suppose it's hard to reverse engineer it, if Jose is still hanging on to it. Even Vallee had his doubts as Johnson uses quotes from the book to point out, but under the influance of Harris, Vallee seems to engage ins some cognitive dissonance:
Johnson also has a transcrip from Vallee talking to George Knapp aobut it. The gist seems to be that, yes it looks like a common earthly bracket of some sort and Vallee even says he bought a very similar one, BUT this one used metric sized holes, so it couldn't have been US made and not something the army would have, yet they wanted it back:I had become convinced it was likely a common industrial object, but Paola disagreed, and indeed some mystery remained. Actually, it had only become more puzzling: How did that piece of rough aluminum alloy end up pinned to the interior wall of the extraordinary vehicle the military had been so eager to remove and hide away in an undisclosed laboratory, where it presumably rests today?” (Trinity, page 125)
That convoluted instrument may appear standard but it is not “unremarkable." We have yet to ask what an ordinary, human fragment of some low-tech aluminum gadget was doing aboard a fantastic craft dropping from the sky in the middle of a storm, shattering the Marconi Tower of the White Sands Missile Range as its crew of diminutive insectoids skidded weirdly through the cabin. (Trinity, page 140)
What kind of interplanetary spacecraft would contain a device made of a common, human industrial alloy, without brand identification, manufactured to precise metric dimensions (30 cm long by 9 centimeters high) and metric diameters for all the holes? (Trinity, page 306)
Note that, in addition to Mexico using the metric system, maybe the aliens did also.
Basically, Vallee has invested himself in a rambling story told 75 years after the fact by unreliable witness. But if he admits fully that what Pedilla has is just a bracket from some farm equipment, then that means Pedilla didn't get it from inside a crashed craft, and that story is false. If that's the case, the story of the army wanting it back may be false as is the story of the craft crashing at all, so it has to be something unusual to preserve the weak story its linked to. Johnson does a complete take down of Trinity: The Best-Kept Secret here: https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/. This isn't the thread for it.
So, it would seem all the talking of meta-materials and the reverse engineering of said materials refers almost exclusively to earthly materials that do nothing very strange but are all linked to UFOs through unsubstantiated here-say, anonymous witness and wishful thinking. None of the meta-materials have any useful history or provenance connecting them to their supposed origins. In addition, aside from a "bracket", most of the materials are bits of junk that are shared around the UFOlogy commuity as unique off-world wonders and some of their unique properties such as possible levitation stems from Travis Talylor. So, Skinwalker Ranch strikes again.
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you might want to mention (earlier on in op), for readers that cant get through all that, the Art's parts was basically solved 
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