Skinwalker Ranch - Laser Beam Stops and Starts in Mid Air
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Mendel
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Rarely has it been harder for me not to be snarky about something.
Mendel
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See for example Gimlin-Patterson or the MH370 portal.
I'd say we cannot always debunk it, but that's true for everything.
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JMartJr
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I'd propose a friendly amendment -- if faking is done well, it is hard to debunk. But it is not done particularly well on many occasions, such as when the perpetrators show both the amazing cross in the sky (!!!!) but also show the cross on the screen in a previous episode!
windwalker77
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here is a video where laser cut off mid air by hitting the cloud.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unK6yO4QCiI
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unK6yO4QCiI
Here's a photo taken from some distance away
If we compress the image, we get:
The strings on the building get slightly closer together as they get higher, which is correct for the perspective is they are parallel.
The lasers diverge, which means they are not parallel.
I suspect this is what give the appearance of a "neck" - where the lasers stop at different points. They are just angled so that from near the hotel, it looks like:
Each laser is not stopping, that's just six vanishing points.
If we compress the image, we get:
The strings on the building get slightly closer together as they get higher, which is correct for the perspective is they are parallel.
The lasers diverge, which means they are not parallel.
I suspect this is what give the appearance of a "neck" - where the lasers stop at different points. They are just angled so that from near the hotel, it looks like:
Each laser is not stopping, that's just six vanishing points.
This sitch mod simulates a single laser centered in the triangle, there's two cloud layers, one at 2000m above ground level and one at 2200m. Both are 50m thick. The viewpoint is close to the base of the laser, So looking up you just see a blob (two when zoomed in)
https://www.metabunk.org/u/I45nX7.html
Zooming in shows the limits of the laser "simulation", as it's fixed width on-screen. Better lasers are in the future, but probably not for a while.
https://www.metabunk.org/u/I45nX7.html
Zooming in shows the limits of the laser "simulation", as it's fixed width on-screen. Better lasers are in the future, but probably not for a while.
John J.
Senior Member.
Aren't most of the claims associated with Skinwalker Ranch ridiculous?
The only questions raised by the whole SWR set-up are (1) why do those associated with it, present and past, want people to believe their nonsense, and (2) should we be concerned that TV channels describe this as a "factual" show?
The SWR regulars are in the business of manufacturing evidence (for e.g. hypersonic UAP, "wormholes", now this) with their various bits of kit, and then wilfully, and outrageously, misinterpreting the results.
If they claimed "in the real world" that they are following a scientific methodology, are making an educational TV show or that they are genuinely investigating rare phenomena/ claims of the paranormal, I might begin to doubt that they were speaking in good faith.
jimmyslippin
Member
I just noticed something vaguely interesting.
Here's an image of the "post experiment briefing" from S05E06 (36:54) where they discussed the "long exposure" images showing interrupted beams.
During this discussion they mentioned inviting the Nu-Salt guys back to do more laser cannon and rocket nonsense, which then took place on the very next show.
Here's an image of the "post experiment briefing" from S05E07 (30:43) where they discussed the results from the latest "experiment" where the beam was supposedly blocked at 2000 feet.
Now I realise that people in these "reality" television shows always wear the same clothing for continuity purposes, but to me it looks like both of these briefings were filmed at the same time. Everything is positioned in almost the exact same place, with the only real exceptions the missing sunglasses on Kaleb's hat, LIDAR guy's laptop appearing to shift very slightly to the left and the mouse disappearing.
Everything else looks exactly the same, suggesting that what they were planning to do next had, in fact, already happened.
They use this same angle in all of the briefings, and looking at those I can see objects in the background that have shifted, like this one from S05E02 where the JBL speaker has been replaced by a stack of books and something has been affixed to the wall to the right of them. The background objects were never all in the same place from S05E01 through S05E05.
Here's an image of the "post experiment briefing" from S05E06 (36:54) where they discussed the "long exposure" images showing interrupted beams.
During this discussion they mentioned inviting the Nu-Salt guys back to do more laser cannon and rocket nonsense, which then took place on the very next show.
Here's an image of the "post experiment briefing" from S05E07 (30:43) where they discussed the results from the latest "experiment" where the beam was supposedly blocked at 2000 feet.
Now I realise that people in these "reality" television shows always wear the same clothing for continuity purposes, but to me it looks like both of these briefings were filmed at the same time. Everything is positioned in almost the exact same place, with the only real exceptions the missing sunglasses on Kaleb's hat, LIDAR guy's laptop appearing to shift very slightly to the left and the mouse disappearing.
Everything else looks exactly the same, suggesting that what they were planning to do next had, in fact, already happened.
They use this same angle in all of the briefings, and looking at those I can see objects in the background that have shifted, like this one from S05E02 where the JBL speaker has been replaced by a stack of books and something has been affixed to the wall to the right of them. The background objects were never all in the same place from S05E01 through S05E05.
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NorCal Dave
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Nice catch! I don't even think the mouse disappeared as much as LIDAR guy shifted in his seat a bit to hide it:
His hand is till on "something", he' just shifted a bit in his seat and obscured the mouse:
It all looks staged because it likely is.
Ann K
Senior Member.
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Good catch! Apparently the rope/cable looped on the back of the door hasn't been touched at all. The camera position being the same just suggests there's a designated camera place, but the people are even sitting in the same place.
jimmyslippin
Member
Nah, I am talking about the mouse that's between the two laptops. LIDAR guy is the one behind the white/silver laptop.
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NorCal Dave
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Nah, I am talking about the mouse that's between the two laptops. LIDAR guy is the behind the white/silver laptop.
My bad. Someone needs to label all these characters to keep track of them. I would argue though, that in the second photo LIDAR guys is reclining back in his seat, necessitating the moving of the mouse to behind the laptop. The missing sunglasses is just part of the "phenomenon" of SWR. Maybe one of the 7' tall bipedal wolf-like entities took them.
jimmyslippin
Member
To be fair, the rope/cable doesn't appear to have shifted at all throughout the entirety of season five.
The only background objects that seem to have actually moved are the red rug to the lower right of the television, the objects that are sitting on it (sometimes nothing, other times a speaker, a stack of books, or both), some of the cables below it and a photo/piece of paper affixed to the wall directly to the right of it.
Mendel
Senior Member.
Wouldn't be the first time clouds have appeared as UFOs (e.g. here).
But seriously, what were they thinking? Shine a powerful flashlight into the sky and be surprised there are clouds up there? Whilst forgetting what shape their beam has?
(Looking for an object fixed above a certain location while not bringing any means to determine its altitude is just the icing on that cake that distinguishes entertainment from science.)
jimmyslippin
Member
Gotta remember we're talking about the same show that did this.
Source: https://x.com/MiddleOfMayhem/status/1791844275069866468
Mendel
Senior Member.
If it's not all a sham—which it may well be—, then it's confirmation bias at work: they are expecting something spooky, and thus subconsciously disregarding everything that is not spooky (including the actual explanation).
Ravi
Senior Member.
Indeed. Just plain fabricated stupid non sense. Sadly
EDITED: Corrected above the word "most" to "a lot" because "most" is suggesting I know the numbers of statistics, which I don't.
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FatPhil
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I need to do a posting guidelines check for factuality in your post, how well it is supported by the evidence presented.
"just" - can only be evaluated after the rest of the sentence...
"plain" - what follows did appear clear, brutally clear, so yes
"fabricated" - we can't be sure they did fabricate it, but to be able to *accidentally* make *all of the mistakes* they made would imply we should come to even harsher conclusions about their mental faculties, so yes-ish.
"stupid" - the obvious conclusions were so clear that in order to not come to them would imply some level of diminished reasoning skills, so yes.
"non sense" - taking that as an emphatic variant of "nonsense", the commentary given accompanying the actions performed did indeed make no sense, so yes.
And I'm led to no other feasable conclusion, so you've got the leading "just" approved as well.
4.5/5. Good enough.
Watching Greenstreet go from believer, to doubting but still believing, to completely sick of this bs has been fascinating and hilarious. His commentary in this video is hilarious. At 1:40, "Is it just a bunch of werewolves having a rave party?" lol
john.phil
Senior Member.
The equipment in question is a mobile security surveillance system manufactured by LVT - LiveView Technologies. The blue light is a security feature to alert intruders to the presence of the equipment on site, and it mimics the blue light of police enforcement as a reminder of its purpose.
This video gives an overview of the equipment, the flashing blue (purple) light is discussed between 01:08 and 01:53:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NriRG0gpV18
For more info:
https://www.lvt.com/hardware/mobile-security-cameras
jimmyslippin
Member
Yeah they showed these getting placed around the ranch in S03E01. They have four of them.
The bottom one seems to be the spooky light they pretend to not know the source of.
The blue flashing light was even seen in several episodes from that season before they decided it was spooky.
S03E04
S03E09
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LeastWeasel
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I just noticed something vaguely interesting.
Here's an image of the "post experiment briefing" from S05E06 (36:54) where they discussed the "long exposure" images showing interrupted beams.
During this discussion they mentioned inviting the Nu-Salt guys back to do more laser cannon and rocket nonsense, which then took place on the very next show.
Here's an image of the "post experiment briefing" from S05E07 (30:43) where they discussed the results from the latest "experiment" where the beam was supposedly blocked at 2000 feet.
Now I realise that people in these "reality" television shows always wear the same clothing for continuity purposes, but to me it looks like both of these briefings were filmed at the same time. Everything is positioned in almost the exact same place, with the only real exceptions the missing sunglasses on Kaleb's hat, LIDAR guy's laptop appearing to shift very slightly to the left and the mouse disappearing.
Everything else looks exactly the same, suggesting that what they were planning to do next had, in fact, already happened.
They use this same angle in all of the briefings, and looking at those I can see objects in the background that have shifted, like this one from S05E02 where the JBL speaker has been replaced by a stack of books and something has been affixed to the wall to the right of them. The background objects were never all in the same place from S05E01 through S05E05.
I never thought of the possibility they may have built a studio set that may or may not even be on the Ranch. These could be staged evidence reviews. It would explain a lot.
They are very careful now to remove all dates and times from screens. This is probably just for continuity reasons, but makes it hard to properly investigate.
Hope this works. I'm a newbie.I just noticed something vaguely interesting.
Here's an image of the "post experiment briefing" from S05E06 (36:54) where they discussed the "long exposure" images showing interrupted beams.
During this discussion they mentioned inviting the Nu-Salt guys back to do more laser cannon and rocket nonsense, which then took place on the very next show.
Here's an image of the "post experiment briefing" from S05E07 (30:43) where they discussed the results from the latest "experiment" where the beam was supposedly blocked at 2000 feet.
Now I realise that people in these "reality" television shows always wear the same clothing for continuity purposes, but to me it looks like both of these briefings were filmed at the same time. Everything is positioned in almost the exact same place, with the only real exceptions the missing sunglasses on Kaleb's hat, LIDAR guy's laptop appearing to shift very slightly to the left and the mouse disappearing.
Everything else looks exactly the same, suggesting that what they were planning to do next had, in fact, already happened.
They use this same angle in all of the briefings, and looking at those I can see objects in the background that have shifted, like this one from S05E02 where the JBL speaker has been replaced by a stack of books and something has been affixed to the wall to the right of them. The background objects were never all in the same place from S05E01 through S05E05.
The guy by the door (Dragon?) has a different number of things that look like pencils in what appears to be a pocket on his sleeve. First photo: 2 pencils. Second photo: nothing. Third photo: 1 pencil.
Ann K
Senior Member.
I don't think so. I think there are two in his pocket in the second photo too, but since he is at a slightly different angle there isn't that distinct reflection off the pen clips as we see in the first one. And in all three photos there appears to be a shadow down the side like you would see with a filled pocket, not the flat surface you'd expect from an empty one. But it's hard to tell, being black on black...
Welcome, newbie!
jimmyslippin
Member
He has two black pens in his sleeve.
Here's a pic from the same scene in S05E07 (the episode where it looked as though nothing was there) showing both of the pens.
This clip suggests it's just light reflecting off the pens.
FatPhil
Senior Member.
I was wondering if a UHD stream might reveal the pixels in the corner of the desktop to be a clock. I suspect that's a vain hope.
However, stubble guy has a wristwatch...
jimmyslippin
Member
Nope, they blur these out.
FatPhil
Senior Member.
Would it be too ironic to ask for openness and disclosure?
Ann K
Senior Member.
I imagine they'd go the FOX news route, "This program is for entertainment purposes only, and not meant to be factual".
John J.
Senior Member.
If they actually said that, I'd be a lot happier with their work.
Thanks to you and @jimmyslippin for the explanation. I'm always losing pens. Maybe I should get one of those shirts. And thanks for the welcome.
jimmyslippin
Member
It's definitely a location at the ranch, as Steven Greenstreet sat at the same table when he visited there.
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