SeanDWalker
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As a background, i trained for 2 years as a mental health nurse which put me in a variety of settings, I worked with pretty much every variety of person you could imagine in that time and witnessed much. I actually left leaving because i ended up believing that the majority of what I was learning to do was verging on disgusting, the methods we use were a mix of chemical constraint, pseudoscience and guess work. A elderly lady who was suffering from depression came in after a psychotic episode, she left weeks later after being sectioned (held without right to leave) once i did a Urinary tract infection test on her....she came up positive and boom, her symptoms were treated with antibiotics, and no longer any signs of psychosis
She left with bruises, because numerous times she refused to start on a anti-psychotic which was deemed the best thing for her to take, her sister had a history of it and she knew how powerful the medication could be so in my mind she had every right to refuse (especially considering she was NOT 'mentally ill'). She was held down, skirt pulled down and injected on two occasions, she was offered a choice, take it, or TAKE it.
I can speak of many cases where people were manipulated into, forced, tricked into taking highly powerful medication on the basis of very little evidence.
I've met patients who believe they have been implanted with you name it, by you name it - BUT there was one guy in particular who came from particular place known for such stories, recounted that he was a orphan and has flash backs of weird tests done on him, that he has a chip in his back - he believed he was part of a MK Ultra experiment, he was called mentally ill, and to me, actually was, not from what he was saying but the level of distrust he had for staff (pretty normal) but for other patients too was extreme, we were agents etc.
About 2 months a go i watched a youtube documentary (typically i cannot find it now...) where this documentary with somebody who talked of accounts very similar to this guy, he was a orphan too and spoke of weird experiments, being drugged and then having to do a task, that sort of thing as well as claiming to have a chip in his back which he presumed was a transmitter, they waved a "bugchecker" around the area, and indeed it spiked whenever they put this near his back.
Now i'm not saying either are evidence, but this put me in a very uncomfortable mind set - How WOULD you prove such a thing has happened to you? and even if you tried, WHO would believe you? a psychiatric ward is a trapping ground.
I also have a friend who's mum's dad performed LSD testing on her, very, very grim stuff happened to her from the few bits that he'll let me know, this was just one sick individual - nobody believed her for a long time, not until he died and a box of notes was uncovered. She again went through hell trying to get help for something people just could not believe was possible. She could of very well ended up in hospital, because she was a "nutter" or "crazy", i mention this again because a woman on my ward claimed a similar thing had happened to her and her brother, was put down to delusional fantasy but what if it wasn't? how the fuck and who the fuck gives us the right to determine the truth when all we have is her word and nothing else other than family details which collaborated her story more than hindered it.
Now, you've seen it all on this forum and some things people say you probably hope for them to receive professional help - but if i went to my GP, said i felt a bit low, or i lost my job recently and then somehow started talking avidly about the few conspiracies that i'm inclined to believe (nothing is 'certain' lol) - i could easily, and i mean easily end up in a psychiatric ward, probably 1/4 chance...now if i was unlucky enough to have been stuck with the conspiracies that say medicine is a form of population control (mental or physical) then thrown into a environment where they don't give me a choice but to be medicated and i react, the chances of them finding 'nothing wrong with me' go from likely to very unlikely in one bad tempered move (and why wouldn't you want to lash out after being sectioned for assessment and locked into a ward with people seem terrifying, phone taken off you, possibly your clothes, your lighter..)
Now in society you have this bizarre problem that "consparist theorist" is directly associated with being "crazy" in one way or the other; despite the fact that conspiracies happen ALL the time in one way or the other - the very nature of them is that you do not know what is going on unless you are involved, so you can only guess/dig until evidence comes up which verifies it OR shows it could not be happening (which is harder than finding evidence which verifies), so you speculate, ask others, you find "evidence" which you find convincing, like i find 9/11 conspiracy evidence compelling, you try to find out 9/11 truth, what should come up is metabunk, but instead it's the opposite, it's all the reasons why your unverified theory IS correct, not usually why it isn't), you become convinced of the conspiracy, make a mistake like that US veteran who got sectioned for putting a "9/11 truth" poster up on facebook (OK i don't know if that IS true 'cos the source is Alex fucking Jones lol).
You also have a problem that once you are convinced of something and you do not have a many-shades-of-grey way of thinking, you want to talk through the conspiracy, convince others of it, but you're met with 'it's just loony' or other attacks on your person. You end up pushing that person into a more and more defensive position or alleviate them as they at-least looked for this stuff, worked through some of it, watched the material, they feel they KNOW it - you make them believe there something they are not by going on the attack without understanding and evidence, give them the feeling of being "awake" while you're asleep, getting hot under the collar because your beliefs are being challenged. They go on more stuck in the belief than ever.
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Ok i've lost my train of thought, if there was one - i'm trying to summarize the point of this thread, and i'm finding that there isn't one. I think, what i'm trying to say is the relation between conspiracy theory and mental health is a complicated one, I've seen some examples of people taking it so far they are hurting themselves and if that person has no other support than mental health services are the best thing for them, but for a lot of people you have to question why having outlandish ideas, even being passionate in them is a insane thing? or a dangerous thing? they might even be on to the right thing or at-least 'more right' than you could possibly think....
You also have to question the power of the section, who gets to choose who gets sectioned and how easily this could be abused by a government once people think in a way which is dangerous for them OR how easy it actually is to create a fiction that can get somebody sectioned.
OK, i'm posting this and might come back and do a serious re-edit lol.
She left with bruises, because numerous times she refused to start on a anti-psychotic which was deemed the best thing for her to take, her sister had a history of it and she knew how powerful the medication could be so in my mind she had every right to refuse (especially considering she was NOT 'mentally ill'). She was held down, skirt pulled down and injected on two occasions, she was offered a choice, take it, or TAKE it.
I can speak of many cases where people were manipulated into, forced, tricked into taking highly powerful medication on the basis of very little evidence.
I've met patients who believe they have been implanted with you name it, by you name it - BUT there was one guy in particular who came from particular place known for such stories, recounted that he was a orphan and has flash backs of weird tests done on him, that he has a chip in his back - he believed he was part of a MK Ultra experiment, he was called mentally ill, and to me, actually was, not from what he was saying but the level of distrust he had for staff (pretty normal) but for other patients too was extreme, we were agents etc.
About 2 months a go i watched a youtube documentary (typically i cannot find it now...) where this documentary with somebody who talked of accounts very similar to this guy, he was a orphan too and spoke of weird experiments, being drugged and then having to do a task, that sort of thing as well as claiming to have a chip in his back which he presumed was a transmitter, they waved a "bugchecker" around the area, and indeed it spiked whenever they put this near his back.
Now i'm not saying either are evidence, but this put me in a very uncomfortable mind set - How WOULD you prove such a thing has happened to you? and even if you tried, WHO would believe you? a psychiatric ward is a trapping ground.
I also have a friend who's mum's dad performed LSD testing on her, very, very grim stuff happened to her from the few bits that he'll let me know, this was just one sick individual - nobody believed her for a long time, not until he died and a box of notes was uncovered. She again went through hell trying to get help for something people just could not believe was possible. She could of very well ended up in hospital, because she was a "nutter" or "crazy", i mention this again because a woman on my ward claimed a similar thing had happened to her and her brother, was put down to delusional fantasy but what if it wasn't? how the fuck and who the fuck gives us the right to determine the truth when all we have is her word and nothing else other than family details which collaborated her story more than hindered it.
Now, you've seen it all on this forum and some things people say you probably hope for them to receive professional help - but if i went to my GP, said i felt a bit low, or i lost my job recently and then somehow started talking avidly about the few conspiracies that i'm inclined to believe (nothing is 'certain' lol) - i could easily, and i mean easily end up in a psychiatric ward, probably 1/4 chance...now if i was unlucky enough to have been stuck with the conspiracies that say medicine is a form of population control (mental or physical) then thrown into a environment where they don't give me a choice but to be medicated and i react, the chances of them finding 'nothing wrong with me' go from likely to very unlikely in one bad tempered move (and why wouldn't you want to lash out after being sectioned for assessment and locked into a ward with people seem terrifying, phone taken off you, possibly your clothes, your lighter..)
Now in society you have this bizarre problem that "consparist theorist" is directly associated with being "crazy" in one way or the other; despite the fact that conspiracies happen ALL the time in one way or the other - the very nature of them is that you do not know what is going on unless you are involved, so you can only guess/dig until evidence comes up which verifies it OR shows it could not be happening (which is harder than finding evidence which verifies), so you speculate, ask others, you find "evidence" which you find convincing, like i find 9/11 conspiracy evidence compelling, you try to find out 9/11 truth, what should come up is metabunk, but instead it's the opposite, it's all the reasons why your unverified theory IS correct, not usually why it isn't), you become convinced of the conspiracy, make a mistake like that US veteran who got sectioned for putting a "9/11 truth" poster up on facebook (OK i don't know if that IS true 'cos the source is Alex fucking Jones lol).
You also have a problem that once you are convinced of something and you do not have a many-shades-of-grey way of thinking, you want to talk through the conspiracy, convince others of it, but you're met with 'it's just loony' or other attacks on your person. You end up pushing that person into a more and more defensive position or alleviate them as they at-least looked for this stuff, worked through some of it, watched the material, they feel they KNOW it - you make them believe there something they are not by going on the attack without understanding and evidence, give them the feeling of being "awake" while you're asleep, getting hot under the collar because your beliefs are being challenged. They go on more stuck in the belief than ever.
...
Ok i've lost my train of thought, if there was one - i'm trying to summarize the point of this thread, and i'm finding that there isn't one. I think, what i'm trying to say is the relation between conspiracy theory and mental health is a complicated one, I've seen some examples of people taking it so far they are hurting themselves and if that person has no other support than mental health services are the best thing for them, but for a lot of people you have to question why having outlandish ideas, even being passionate in them is a insane thing? or a dangerous thing? they might even be on to the right thing or at-least 'more right' than you could possibly think....
You also have to question the power of the section, who gets to choose who gets sectioned and how easily this could be abused by a government once people think in a way which is dangerous for them OR how easy it actually is to create a fiction that can get somebody sectioned.
OK, i'm posting this and might come back and do a serious re-edit lol.