The work of Kate Dorsch would help inform the answer to this question: the USAF has a long history of involvement w/UFOs, beginning with the Kenneth Arnold saucer fiasco back in the day. As she said in a recent discussion panel (41:57):Why are all these UFO sightings coming from the Navy off the coast of the U.S., and not from the Air Force or overseas? This whole Metabunk forum is even called "UFO Videos and Reports from the US Navy." Is the Navy more open about sightings or worse at identifying things?
"that's because the air force … to disentangle itself at some point, and I suspect it's not super eager to jump back in."
Is the Navy more open about sightings or worse at identifying things?
USAF pilots are able to identify the UFO, we have better eyes? When we see something we figure out what it is?Why are all these UFO sightings coming from the Navy off the coast of the U.S., and not from the Air Force or overseas? This whole Metabunk forum is even called "UFO Videos and Reports from the US Navy." Is the Navy more open about sightings or worse at identifying things?
Specifically, that would be U.S. carrier battle groups against China's land-based missiles and aircraft. China's sharply increasing capabilities are causing the U.S. Navy to question its ability to keep carrier battle groups close enough to China to be relevant. See e.g. https://tnsr.org/2020/11/the-u-s-navys-loss-of-command-of-the-seas-and-how-to-regain-it/:The battle for supremacy in the South China sea is going to be warships...if it happens.
As a result, the U.S. war plan is now to fight primarily from outside what is called the first island chain (of which Taiwan is a part)
I believe most commercial pilots are prohibited from operating personal electronic equipment (including cameras) in the cockpit during the flight.Statistcally it's far more likely definitive UFO photos would come from the 95% of pilots (commercial, public etc)
I believe most commercial pilots are prohibited from operating personal electronic equipment (including cameras) in the cockpit during the flight.
It's more common for military pilots to have camera equipment capable of tracking targets onboard, recordings of these cameras for mission debriefings, and mission profiles that allow for spending fuel on chasing these targets, PLUS more missions where chasing a target unknown to the pilots is the designed objective.
And due to the power of their sensors, their "low information zone" is further out.
Regarding the Air Force's lack of UFO reports:Why are all these UFO sightings coming from the Navy off the coast of the U.S., and not from the Air Force or overseas?
Article: From 1947 to 1969, the Air Force investigated Unidentified Flying Objects under Project Blue Book. The project, headquartered at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, was terminated Dec. 17, 1969. [..]
With the termination of Project Blue Book, the Air Force regulation establishing and controlling the program for investigating and analyzing UFOs was rescinded. [..]
Since the termination of Project Blue Book, nothing has occurred that would support a resumption of UFO investigations by the Air Force. Given the current environment of steadily decreasing defense budgets, it is unlikely the Air Force would become involved in such a costly project in the foreseeable future. [..]
Persons wishing to report UFO sightings should be advised to contact local law enforcement agencies.
Article: To that end, Deputy Secretary of Defense Kathleen Hicks today directed the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security to develop a plan to formalize the mission currently performed by the UAPTF.
This plan will be developed in coordination with various DOD components, including the military departments and the combatant commands, and with ODNI and other interagency partners. The plan will establish procedures for synchronizing collection, reporting and analysis of UAP; provide recommendations for securing military test and training ranges; and identify requirements for the establishment and operation of a new follow-on DOD activity to lead the effort, including its alignment, resources, staffing, authorities, and a timeline for implementation.
You mean the ones of which video snippets were leaked to the public domain? We don't know where the others come from.Why are all these UFO sightings coming from the Navy off the coast of the U.S., and not from the Air Force or overseas? This whole Metabunk forum is even called "UFO Videos and Reports from the US Navy." Is the Navy more open about sightings or worse at identifying things?
So the Air Force was 1.5 years later than the Navy in establishing a standardized reporting mechanism.No standardized reporting mechanism existed until the Navy established one in March 2019. The Air Force subsequently adopted that mechanism in November 2020, but it remains limited to USG reporting.
So I guess some of them came from the Air Force as well, though the Navy had a head start because they established their reporting mechanism earlier.These reports describe incidents that occurred between 2004 and 2021, with the majority coming in the last two years as the new reporting mechanism became better known to the military aviation community.
The UAPTF regularly heard anecdotally during its research about other observations that occurred but which were never captured in formal or informal reporting by those observers.
The Navy's training and WEAPONS TESTING areas are at sea. They operate off carriers or naval air stations with a large number of observers. The Air Force can do things in the desert.Why are all these UFO sightings coming from the Navy off the coast of the U.S., and not from the Air Force or overseas? This whole Metabunk forum is even called "UFO Videos and Reports from the US Navy." Is the Navy more open about sightings or worse at identifying things?
Cessna and Boeing 737 pilots dont have air to air radar or long range FLIR cameras and usually are not sent out to investigate or intercept some unidentified radar or other contact. Also, actual alien UFOs might be chasing or buzzing any type of plane, so if they existed, then Id say you are right: the odds would favor civilians; but if its humans chasing balloons or drones or atmospheric effects, or in fairness, actual aliens, then its almost always going to be the military.Out of all pilots flying in the US, NAVY/Airforce pilots comprise about 5% of all US pilots.
Statistcally it's far more likely definitive UFO photos would come from the 95% of pilots (commercial, public etc)
I con't I understand your point here. Are you saying that the AF operates further afield from their base/station/carrier, and that this is significant? Or that ocean vs. desert is significant? Or something else that I am too slow to figure out this morning?The Navy's training and WEAPONS TESTING areas are at sea. They operate off carriers or naval air stations with a large number of observers. The Air Force can do things in the desert.
Not necessarily, Navel Air Station Fallon, home of TOPGUN, is in the middle of the Nevada:The Navy's training and WEAPONS TESTING areas are at sea. They operate off carriers or naval air stations with a large number of observers. The Air Force can do things in the desert.
Naval Air Station Fallon
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Air_Station_Fallonor NAS Fallon (IATA: NFL, ICAO: KNFL, FAA LID: NFL) is the United States Navy's premier air-to-air and air-to-ground training facility. It is located southeast of the city of Fallon in western Nevada. Since 1996, it has been home to the Naval Fighter Weapons School (TOPGUN) taking over from the former NAS Miramar, California, and the surrounding area contains 240,000 acres (97,000 ha) of bombing and electronic warfare ranges.
nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-navy-and-air-force-are-training-war-black-sea-166318It is uncertain if the fall football classics between the U.S. Air Force Academy, U.S. Naval Academy and the U.S. Military Academy will take place this fall to determine who is awarded the Commander-in-Chief’s Trophy, but this month such inter-service rivalries were put aside as the Air Force and Navy performed a joint exercise in the Black Sea. It focused on realistic integration, operation and communication between surface warships and air assets to protect the maritime domain.
I'd put the difference between land and sea at much better (civilian) radar coverage on land.I con't I understand your point here. Are you saying that the AF operates further afield from their base/station/carrier, and that this is significant? Or that ocean vs. desert is significant? Or something else that I am too slow to figure out this morning?
MH370, though, was not flying around in a testing/training area with an aircraft carrier and associated support vessels trying to track and identify it. I'd buy that a UFO flying along at some random point in the world might be more likely to escape detection if that spot happened to be over the ocean, but the majority of the Navy leaked reports are happening where they are (or would be expected to be) in the sights of a lot of sensors.And it's much more difficult to get data on objects on the ocean, see MH370, so they're harder to identify.